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I have an English gun that is no prize but the barrels are good and the gun is too nice to sell for parts or to throw away. I bought it as a wall hanger but the barrels measure .0295 by using the mic on the out side and using a barrel bore measure on inside, Double checking with a barrel wall measure I got .030. The gun is off face I figure about .007. My question how do I fix that. Some say knock out the pin and rotate it. I've never done that. Can the pin be knocked out from either side and what sort of tool do I use? Others say teg weld the hook and grind it to size. How much does a teg weld cost and what do I look for so that the barrel solder is not melted.

I know I ought get a pro but it is rather a basic gun that really doesn't justify a big out lay of money and besides I would kind of like to do this myself.

Thanks.

Pooch, if you really want to do a cheap fix, you can cut a piece of shim stock to fit the lump and take up the looseness. Whenever I've done that, I've just used friction to keep it in place. I think some guys here, however, may suggest using some sort of glue.

I started out that way but the shim came off. I have this iron epoxy still on the hook and the gun fits up tight, but I figure that will probably shoot off.

I have a local machine shop tig weld the hook. I have done a number of them. I have learned to have him put the weld past the sides of the hook otherwise as you take it down the sides will have a bevel. Dr Drew has some pictures of one I did. It takes about two hours to fit. I use a hurricane oil lamp without the glass hood and round files.Mostly you need patience and take your time.

He has not overheated any yet. There is a lot of metal there and not a very big weld.

I hope that helps.

What make of English gun is it ?
Does it have a straight or taper pin ?
Is the diameter of the pin larger on one side than the other ?
O.M

Pooch,
If you can find a micro welder take the barrels and receiver to him and ask him to add just enough material to the hook so that the gun just won't close. It's then an easy matter to smoke the hook to put the barrels back on face. Not exactly the "right" way but it's a class A band-aid.

It looks the same, but I can't measure it well enough to be sure.

I ask these questions because if it has a straight pin it can be easier to replace the pin with a larger one.
Calculate what the new diam needs to be from the shim size, ream the hole, make & fit new pin.
If it is a taper, then weld the hook.
O.M

The gun is an Army&Navy. It's an old gun because it still has the words Deely Patent on the water table and the opening lever. It looks like a William Evens box lock with the doll's head. It has safety sears. It has London proof marks, but I'm pretty sure it was made for the London trade by Webbley in Birmingham.

It is sleek and light, kinda pretty as the engraving is still good, but it's not collectors gun just one that should make a fun shooter.

I wouldnt consider any of the above mentioned options as an amateur repair with the exception of installing a piece of shim stock to fit the hook. Tig welding isnt something you just take up over a weekend. You might be surprised at how inexpensively you could have this done by a pro gunsmith. I think the last one I had done was around $150-200. From your description of the gun it sounds like this is the only real mechanical issue. I say invest the money and shoot the gun, rather than risk irreparable damage or hanging it on the wall.

PM me if you want the name of the guy that did my last one

Bryndon