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Keith...We actually agree on the illegal thing as it relates to immigrants. They ARE illegal.. FACT.. The bind in the cheese is, what to do about them. I am not smart enough to say. I question if anyone has really thought this through. I think: We must CLOSE the border. Everyone, including your kids and mine, MUST show proof that they are legally authorized to work in this country. Everyone, including your kids and mine, must take and pass a drug test as part of any employment process. AND, we end up with a big "so what". Jose Jones is an illegal drug user..OK Now what...??? Jose is standing right there. What do we do with him....goes on and on...The purpose of my OP was to point out that most of these folks are valuable to us as a community, and that the impact of just kicking them out is huge...Those are also FACTS...and jOe is still stupid...some things never change..

Unless I'm mistaken, the only 'value' that you pointed out was that of being hard workers. If that value is worth keeping around, then smart folks should encourage it, not disincentivize it. If the loss would be huge, maybe the community could compensate by demanding free college for the next generation.

I guess I am slow, Craig...From whom would anyone "demand" free college? How is anyone being disincentivized? I don't get it. Or maybe you don't?

I simply don't think it matters much if a Wildlife Biologist gets caught poaching deer on posted land the day before hunting season, or if a child molester was a respected Parish Priest, or if someone took bribes and kept highly classified government secrets on an unsecured server while serving as Secretary Of State, or if someone is a good friend and a hard worker who entered the country illegally. The law is the law, and ignorance of the law is supposed to be no excuse. We say that no one should be above the law, but then we start making exceptions, and the law becomes meaningless and unjust.

When we start picking and choosing who gets unequal Justice under the law, we risk opening a whole 'nother can of worms. Not the least of these is the fact that granting one amnesty after another only gives incentive for people to continue to break the law. Reagan fell for that ruse in the 1980's by being compassionate and willing to compromise. Look where it got us. But there are people like King Brown who want open borders, but are too agenda driven to be bothered with all of the ramifications. The U.S of A. was able to become exceptional, and thus able to help so many other countries and people partly because it didn't permit itself to be overwhelmed with uncontrolled immigration.

A U.S. with open borders would quickly become a footnote in history that would be of little good to anyone. It could become like an irresponsible man who fathered as many children as he could without properly raising or feeding them. But short-sighted nutjobs like King think there is nothing wrong with that scenario, and that there will always be some person or Corporation who will be ready, willing, and able to sustain it. People who refuse to cut the lawns or pick the crops or do other work should NEVER get a dime of Welfare benefits unless they are disabled and unable to work. Period. That kind of work always got done without millions of illegal immigrants until we began giving lazy people the equivalent of $40-50,000 per year to just sit home and reproduce and vote Democrat.

Geezo, I cant believe I am agreeing with most of what Keith just said..Anyhow my quiver is empty on this subject...Gonna go have a piece of punkin pie for lunch and see if I can get out hunting..

The millenials are demanding free college, and Socialists like Hillary and Bernie Sanders are offering it. My daughter thought it was a good idea until I reminded her that she has zero student loan debt because her Dad paid for every cent of her education. But now that she is working, she would be taxed for her entire career to pay for other kids to go for free. And when it became "free", it would naturally get much more expensive for the taxpayers who were paying for the government sponsored freebie. And many of those who took advantage of it would be those who weren't suited for it in the first place, but it would become discriminatory to exclude anyone just because they weren't smart or motivated enough to do well.

All debt is paid. By someone, somewhere, sometime. A government that taxes you to redistribute wealth to others has just enslaved you and robbed you of hours out of your life, to provide goodies to someone else. I have no problem with helping the truly needy and disabled, but my generosity has been stretched way too thin, especially when I still have Socialists like King Brown calling me selfish and greedy.

The whole system is based on pushing high school graduates to colleges and universities when they would be far better served learning trade that is in demand. There are far too many mediocre colleges and universities attendance to which guarantees nothing. Only the most gifted should attend select group of top very established Universities.

To be all inclusive, I'll sub question mark for period. If someone can figure out how to get the bennies, maybe that proves they aren't afraid of a little work. Nope, I don't get it, just looked in the fridge, and all I saw was some blah leftovers, but I suppose I'll trudge through some. I guess the food in there has value, maybe not a whole lot, but enough to think it shouldn't be taken for granted. If I got all my groceries for free, I wonder if they might not mean as much to me.

Should be fun watching 100,000 unemployed coal miners trying to round up 30,000,000 illegals.

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Because of globalization, high paying blue collar jobs are in short supply.

If Trump is able to enact his promised tariffs it will bring millions of higher paying jobs back.

If he deports a significant portion of the illegal aliens it will drive up wages at the chicken factories and construction sites. If he slows illegal immigration those higher wages will stay higher.

But sending those that graduated in the bottom 95% of their high school class to trade school has no payoff without the wall and the deportations and the tariffs. Because those good paying jobs won't be there.