doublegunshop.com - home Forums General Discussion DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com The borrower had to know......

The premise that every potential customer at a dedicated S X S shoot knows to use low pressure loads in particular types of guns is just ridiculous. I've been around some who think dram equivalent means a little bit of liquor. When you test drive a car the dealer doesn't assume you have insurance coverage in case of an accident, he assures it by providing it himself. Same deal.

In fairness to Steve, he may have actually told them to use the proper loads, and expected that they would. Pity such a nice old gun is so devalued.

SRH

Short English shells not functioning in Fred's Model 12? What a crock- I shoot 2&3/4" AA trap loads- and I have - and I have shot RSTds in either of my 2 Model 12 3" chambered Duck guns- and I have 5 other std. M12's in 12 gauge with 2 & 3/4" chambers-and the short RST 2.5' work like a charm. Were the Limey 2.5" loads in 1924 different, so as to bolex-up a "Perfect Repeater". I doubt it.

I also appreciate the confirmation that Rudy may well have used that 870 in some of the big money pigeon shoots in his long career. My late maternal Grandfather used his Parker 12 (32" F&F) AHE for box birds (he never shot columbaire birds that I know of) across from the Queen City to the Corbin KY area) but for bird hunting (ducks and pheasants) he shot either his Model 12 or his Model 97, both 12 gauge guns of course.To each his own.

RWTF, history is the study of what people did not what people should have done. His Model 12 didn't like those English shells, so he handicapped himself by shooting only one shell at a time, that's all we know.

Either way, Americans and their pump guns, its a beautiful thing.

You and I and and pal- Gough Thomas- a Limey who had the good taste to appreciate the American pumpgun-- best of which is the Model 12--

I'm still amazed that this has been plastered all over the interweb. Is it unreasonable to assume that the dealer could have confronted each shooter privately rather than trying to shame one in to admission of guilt by his public diatribe. Dealer needs to grow a pair.

Wow! You don't know Steve do you Mr Nelson!?!

The abuser needs to grow a pair and fess up - he knows who he is! - he destroyed someone else's property and he needs to take responsibility for his actions and pay Steve for this gun. I'm pretty sure Steve will cut him some slack and charge him a lot less than the price it was tagged with.

That's a big problem with American society today - they just don't take responsibility for their actions - to the further erosion of our great country's ethic and former glory!

I read this thread about 1 and a half times.

The thought that comes to mind is "Merchantability".

My thought is to be a bit sarcastic and say, finally we're getting some new information and details about the what happened.

The seller made the decision to put out what was put out. Neither he nor his friends and supporters have seemed to help round out the facts. Erosion of values seems to be an odd take on turning to the internet for some sort of justice, then complaining about it. He admitted he 'boiled over'. The problem with society today is feeling the need to share, but maybe that's a business model. Who knows, could be sales are up.

Our military, especially the Marines sure loved them and bought the Model 12 in staggering numbers.

Yes I do know the seller. I have done business with him in previous years. That still doesn't validate his approach to identifying the culprit that damaged his gun. There are only two choices. Geez