doublegunshop.com - home Forums General Discussion DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com The borrower had to know......

Francis, have you ever test driven a car before buying it, or have you always put up the entire purchase price first?

Nope- I have never bought a brand new car in my 75 years- well,deduct 16 from that. Bought my first car, a 1951 Chevy 2-door coupe- 3 pc. rear window, 6 cyl with a three on the tree stick shift, from our family doctor for $250.00. My Grandfather taught me to buy a used but well maintained car or truck, after the first owner had "eaten" the depreciation. He also taught me to "Never let your car become a vehicle for your vanity"> Your comparison to the used gun schleppers and the ""test shooting" at the Southern, Northern, Vintagers, etc- is full of shit. All car dealers have insurance that covers them and their cars, at least they should have. So I test drive a 2009 Ford Ranger and get "T-Boned" at the corner of fifth and main- the dealer has insurance, and if not enough, my Auto-owners full comp. would kick in. Not a valid comparison I should think.

sleeve it...

Did this gun ever get fired before by Steve? He does not say.

How do we know it wasn't a ticking time bomb honed to within a whisker of blowing up the first time it was shot?

What proof does he have that the bulges weren't from RST's?

How would he feel if the shooter came back with a bloody stump for a hand with a ruptured barrel from a legit low pressure shell?

We could be reading a story from the shooter instead about how a dealer gave him a gun that was honed to death to shoot at a show that blew up and ruined his hand forever and his lawyer is suing his butt off.

Two sides to every story, but it was not right for the shooter to not own up to it.

It would be interesting to know the wall thickness. It might help to put the pieces together.

I consider Steve a friend of mine, but .......... if I were a dealer and loaned out guns to potential buyers I would SUPPLY the appropriate shells and either require the potential buyer to pay for them if he didn't buy the gun, or let it go if he buys it.

Then again, I probably wouldn't make it as a dealer.

SRH

He trusted the guy. He thought he was a stand up guy and that he knew what he was doing. Its a shame a hand shake or a word isn't worth very much anymore. Just one more example.

I doubt I've ever looked at the chamber area of one of my own guns, after a round of trap or skeet. I'm guessing Occam's Razor on this one. Anybody who thinks a bunch of gun geniuses are running around a typical shoot are badly mistaken, especially if alcohol is available. I also have a hard time believing a gun that would shoot forever at 8,000PSI would bulge at 10,000-12,000. It would take more than SAAMI spec to do the damage we are seeing, IMHO. I don't recall exactly the numbers, but, it seemed like Sherman Bell was waaay off the charts with what could even be stuffed into a 2 3/4" round in a typical reloader, before he had bulges in his testing.
I have a gun or two I would loan a guy I knew. They aren't Parker G grades. I think the only guns I ever borrowed were my Dad's. They live here, now.
I feel for the dealer. But, I'm not ready to condemn either shooter without knowing a lot more facts.


Best,
Ted

Without wall thickness information, the shooter can in no way be blamed for acting negligently.

He trusted the guy- hum- trust everyone, but always cut the cards- TWICE-- reminds me of the line in the great college spoof movie "Animal House"-- "Hey, you fucked up, you trusted us" Timmy Matheson as Otter- to some poor schmuck pledge--

I wouldn't make it very long as a gun dealer. It takes a special type of person to survive in that cut-throat game- where tricked up shotguns and rifles are sometimes (not always) sold at overly high prices to the un-knowing. Always do your homework before you even ask a dealer to handle on of his table displayed guns.

If you are at a show and there are shooting fields available, ask the dealer or one of his staff people to shoot the gun-test firing for function, perhaps a pattern board, and with the ammo They select- and offer to pay for that expense, whether you buy the gun or not.

Then, and again with their selected ammo, you shoot it to your satisfaction, then negotiate the final sales price- something you can't do at an auction.

Steve seems to be a victim of coincidence here. What are the chances that TWO test fire requests are made on ONE gun on a table display with a hundred or more guns? Requesting to fire a gun that you don't intend to buy is a juvenile act. What does it prove except that the gun will fire? I have never understood the practice.