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There you go, friend. Unanimous mostly. For once full agreement on anything. Like Little Orphan Annie, makes me feel good all over.
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21 = 4140, machined parts, made and finished for higher cost market.
NID = mild steel action,more stampings, poorer finish.
NID marketed as lower end gun, 21 pushed as better WW, both good guns but the 21 should last longer due to materials
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Like anyone is gonna wear one out?
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i would like to ask the academy,how many guns like the NID, LCSmith, etc. you have personally worn out ???if you leave single triggers and ejectors out of the equation and under normal use. i never have, as close as i have come to owning a new vintage sxs is a 1926 lc smith fw e i purchased in 1977 and have used ever since but have not come close to wearing it out.
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Agree- my oldest 12 L.C. Smith is a 1896 OO- with the rotary joint check/cam extractor design- Armor steel barrels DT- bushed firing pins, two way safety. It is my favorite 'barnyard' and "foul weather" double gun- all lock parts are original, good trigger pulls, safety works without a hitch- and it drops barn pigeons and pheasants for me-time after time. Luckily, it has more modern stock dims than the usual 14" LOP (from front trigger) and 3" DAH found on double guns from that era- 30" barrels choked F&F, the usual norm for that day- I use RST spreaders in the right hand barrel and AA trap loads in the left. I am not one for rechoking or rechambering older double guns-and one nice thing about Smiths- as opposed to Parkers and Ithacas and LeFevers from that era- Smith 12 gauges had std. 2&3/4" chambers-- You Fox fans will not the omission, as the Fox guns were not yet made in 1896 I believe.. All good guns, built to last darn near forever, given proper care and handling--
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Back in the day I'd a worn them both out. Oh, wait, never mind. You're talking about the guns.
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My favorite Clays gun, a beat up Lefever H" broke a hammer at a Vintagers shoot. Buck Hamlin had it back on line in less than 2 weeks....I don't think I had much to do with that, it was 109 years old. I DID put thousands of rounds through it before and after the hammer issue...
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You could buy a 20, 16 and 12 in NID for what one M21 in 12 costs. An NID 20 might bring the trifecta total over what the M21 costs, but then a Flues 20 wouldn't. Gil
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Bill, The only "stamping" on the NID that I am aware is the safety re-set piece. What have I missed? As for poor finish???
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I like NID's. I thought I was the only one, a lot of people think they are ugly.
I also don't like 21's (I find them boxy like K80's and ugly, they also have issues with ribs and the thinggie the forend attaches to under the barrels failing.
Its America, buy what you like and let the other guy do what he wants.
As an investment the 21 might be a better choice
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