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Maybe Ed can run for President to continue the current administration's legacy. Bet he doesn't believe in evolution either.

Does anyone out there think this is preferable from an aesthetic standpoint to bone charcoal color case? Here is the picture of the gun Ed listed with his statement which I referenced in my original post.

I haven't moved in the heady circles that find the time capsule guns and have gotten used to fading, greying CC when I can find some on something I can afford. Worn and faded is, in the pinch of what's available, also a witness to originality. "Well-preserved" at ninety years old has its charms. It's all just a skin condition whether it's surface hardness or incidental and attractive ephemera. I prefer the look of an old bruise to a nasty case of eczema. When it gets to the point of looking like somebody's been zapping the frame with a heliarc, I'd say it looks like sh7t (aesthetics) and is sh7t (metallurgy).

jack

I have no connection with the gentleman but I wonder why people continue to write posts like these? Do you really think people who are about to bid on a web auction gun will check here first to get the green flag? Or does it make you feel superior to write how you are so wise and can't be fooled? If something like this deserves 3 pages of postings I wonder what a really important topic will generate?

Yep I do. It happens quite frequently.As far as I'm concerned this site is "nonpareil" for information on guns of all types.
IMHO If it saves one fellow from being fleeced.....it's worth it.
What's the rub?

Cherry Bomb, some fraction (large or small) of the nearly 8000 members who visit this site ARE "the people who are about to bid on a web auction gun". It may be that the so say all of us consensus gets old when the target of complaint is so easy; the site isn't called Doubleguns For Dummies. However, many of us are also relatively new to the game and appreciate the repetition of bedrock responses dealing with how to buy, shoot, and maintain doubleguns. Tolerating the occasional ego display is a small price to pay for the breadth and depth of information available here. We're all free to take what we need and ignore what we don't.

jack

Kinda like spotting to much bondo on that old muscle car. Some guns make good examples of questionable craftmanship. Anyway, three pages of this might be better than 50 pages of how to sand a stock. It'll all be gone soon...like a fart.

I am certainly no expert only being new to SxS and case coloring for less than a year, but I first heard about torch jobs and infamous Ed from these posts, although the first example of his work was no where near as obvious as this latest one. And much of what I know now is from reading all these posts, even on repeated topics, and reading several good books on these topics, many that were recommended from these pages. I didn't know who Doug Turnbull even was, now know that his shop is less than 1 1/2 hours drive from me, so a buddy and I are going to get a tour of his operation in July as soon as we get a day we can both do it.

Even tough the RBL issue has been beat to death perhaps, I know I would not mind seeing a new post to see some more of the latest guns he's delivered, and hear members current thoughts on the gun, him and the operation.

Sometimes when the wife is just not in the best of moods I just like to go here, read, unwind, and perhaps add to a topic. I know that I never visit here without picking up one bit of useful advice or a new opinion to ponder.

I wish I had found this forum before I bought my first side by side, not that I am not happy with it, but probably would have bought a lower priced and better handling gun from reading all the opinions.

I don't think that there are many members here who consider themselves "the" expert, but I value what is said by all whether I agree with them or not.

Anyone who hasn't done so should take a look at San Diego Fred's post. And then eightbore's. Collectors are very interested in the legacy of the original for want of a better term. There is a dilution of that legacy by even the more reputable restoration efforts so it's understandable why tinkers, fools, and mercenaries who "know better" aren't encouraged. Three major points have been made again and again in the many discussions of case color restoration here. 1) Traditional case hardening processes produce a surface appearance incidental to the rationale for hardening. 2)Supposedly accurate and correct replicaton of those processes at the present day are seen to produce distortion, subsequent problems of fit, and possibly changes to the molecular structure in frames rehardened. 3)The Ithaca/Perazzi heat/chemical "imitation" as well as Dr. Gaddy's method are frequently alluded to but not spelled out in specifics.

Now about that third "attractive and harmless" alternative. Is somebody or some interest suppressing it? Does it really produce results worth the trouble? Faced with a shiny expanse of Chromox, I've dug out the Oxpho-blue and the hair dryer. A few grey puddles are an improvement in my opinion but I'd like something a bit more colorful (authenticity aside) which doesn't involve the nominal bargains at Ohio Color Case, the very dear work of Mr. Turnbull, or the frame-frying heat-colors of the torchies.

jack

Read through the older posts and see for yourself the artists that visit this site, Mr Moody, Mr.crosschisels, Mr Turnbull, I know I left out a few, sorry, but to see their work and what they can do and compare same to this guy well you have learned alot. What alot of us have learned is.....whose word is good and whose word isn't.
All the best