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Czechmate,
I don't know if I could ID the scope, even if I had it "in hand". With no windage adjustment and the way the elevation adjustment operates, however, it brings to mind pre-war and early post-war German scopes, such as Hensoldt and others; maybe it is an East German Zeiss Jena scope. Of course this is a wild guess. What is sure, is the scope shows signs of several years of use, so it was mounted some years ago. This is supported by the mounts. They are claw mounts, but not the current "Suhler" type mounts. As it happens, I have an example of the rear mount in some miscellaneous parts I have had for years. I have long wondered what the front one looked like; now I know. Now that I can see how the police welded the breech face, there is no doubt bushings will be required. This could turn out to be pretty hard, depending on whether the welding caused any hard spots.
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Thanks Mike! I knew the scope would be probably even harder to ID than the gun itself...
The scope is probably an old pre WWII scope, or maybe a WWII. It was mounted on the gun sometime between 1950 - 1967, I can't say for sure. So the gunsmith who did this probably took some spares he had from some old gun...
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Oh, I see w/ the toplever to the left then the rod that engages the flip sight is out. Then the firing pin for the rifled tube has also been altered as it is not out. It too is a little buggered. But I still believe there are initials in the doll's head well. Anyway, Emil Eckoldt of Suhl did use a heart but it typically had EES or the like inside. It was made in Suhl, passed thru the Suhl proofhouse in the 11th month of 1923 when Suhl used a ledger number like Zella-Mehlis did. Then in 1974 it passed thru a Czech proof facility as #26 for that year. I wonder under any deactivation effort if the weapon has to pass thru a proof facility? How many kilometers are you from a Czech proof facility( http://www.cuzzs.cz/en/ )?? Cheers, Raimey rse
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I failed to mention that the way the frame is filed, side frame reinforcement, flash deflectors, etc. also makes me think Emil Eckoldt but many other mechanics(or makers like August Schuler- Modell 9, etc.) could have hired the same frame filer or a similar frame filer.  Emil Eckoldt Hahn drilling: http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=188723 Subject Hahn drilling Cheers, Raimey rse
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 Above contains an images w/ the Emil Eckoldt heart encircled EES trademark. Cheers, Raimey rse
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Some of the features of that drilling bear a striking resemblance to my Thieme & Schlegelmilch. The fences, bosses and locks down to the engraving. It almost looks like a Nimrod frame but I don't see the cut down into the top of the frame nor the step on the barrels.
Such a shame to de-mil a fine old drilling like that. I can't imagine you and your Dad were anything but heartbroken.
Last edited by sharps4590; 07/12/16 04:33 PM.
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Thank you Raimey, I don't have the weapon at the moment to check the dolls head well to check whether there are the initials. I keep it at my fathers place, although he insisted I take it, I don't want to as long as he is still here (I guess I'm just being superstitious and I want it to stay that way as long as possible)...
BTW, why do you ask about the Czech proof facility? I can visit them next week, I will be in Prague where they reside...
Do you have better picture of that drilling? The engraving looks very similar. Unfortunately, I was unable to google up what exactly is flash deflectors or side frame reinforcement... Shotgun flash reflectors only give me some photographer tools for deflecting flash... :-)
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Some of the features of that drilling bear a striking resemblance to my Thieme & Schlegelmilch. The fences, bosses and locks down to the engraving. It almost looks like a Nimrod frame but I don't see the cut down into the top of the frame nor the step on the barrels.
Thank you sharps, could you please post a pictures of your Thieme & Schlegelmilch?
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I ask about either of the Czech proof facilities as in 1974 your sporting weapons passed thru either the Brno or Prague & I'm leaning toward Brno. But either way, you should be able to take the images of the datastring on the water table & on the extractor bar and the will have it listed in their ledger. If it isn't in the Prague ledgers, then it will be found in the Brno.
Cheers,
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Czech, I don't have any in my folder. I'll get some soon and post them.
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