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dollar: under our system of justice, one is innocent until proven guilty...

Not an answer...Somebody try again...

I already gave you your answer. The anti-gunners are more worried about restricting access to certain firearms by law abiding U.S. citizens than they are about getting serious with radical Islamists and gangbangers who are actually causing serious problems in this country. King, Ed, and Jagermeister support that mentality.

If you go into Canada with an NRA decal on your truck, you will likely be profiled, and detained, and harassed, and thoroughly searched. But because of Liberal Left political correctness, we can't do that same type of profiling even though Rudy Guiliani's "Stop and Frisk" policies when he was Mayor of NYC were extremely effective in reducing violent crime. If we positively have to infringe upon someone's rights for the common good, shouldn't it be aimed at logical targets?

As far as Ed's earlier statement on gun rights, here's a small sample of what he has said on the subject:

What I gather is the FBI was convinced by the Killer that the complaints of his Coworkers were based on "Anti-Muslim" Bigotry. Also the DHS investigation may have been shutdown because it was perceived as being Anti-Muslim.

Hell this murderous bastard worked for a security company that has contracts with the DHS. Although in this case the Killer is reported to have been working as a guard at a gated resdential community.

Will we every know for certain ? Probably not as it seems our Federal Agencies lie as easily as they breathe.

NO Keith, you have NOT given me an answer. You have used a bunch of generalities that have nothing to do with the question..What the F***K does going into Canada with an NRA sticker on my truck or what FDR said to Churchill have to do with anything? WHY DID NO ONE DO ANYTHING TO STOP THIS GUY GIVEN ALL THE DATA AVAIABLE? HOW DID HE PASS THE BACKGROUND CHECK? Clearly no one wants to answer this question...Postoak has come closer than anyone, but no cigar....

I gave you the answer. We spend billions of dollars a year on security measures like Instant Check, No Fly Lists, Airport Security, etc., but due to political correctness, we get grief and whining from the Liberal Left whenever there is an attempt to watch or restrict the rights of a guy like Omar Mateen who had a history of support and contact with Radical Islam.

In the minds of people like Ed, King. and Jagermeister, guys like this terrorist are innocent until proven guilty, but law abiding gun owners are presumed guilty just because they wish to exercise their Constitutional freedoms.

I must provide my I.D. and undergo a background check every time I buy a gun. Guilt is presumed until I prove otherwise. But Democrats complain that it is Unconstitutional to ask someone for I.D. before they vote.

I know you will not accept my answer. Maybe you'd be happy if I just blamed Bush and Cheney. Or maybe you can share your thoughts on why no-one stopped this guy. It's not like his support and associations with radical Islam were an unknown quantity. Trump wants to stop this crap, and Hillary accuses him of building walls instead of bridges. And she wants to bring in even more unvetted Muslim refugees than Obama, and continue our open border policy. Oh yeah... she wants to ban guns and sue gun manufacturers until they go bankrupt too.

While we have no constitutional right to fly we do have a constitutional right to keep and bear arms. So that is how Mateen could be on the No-Fly list but still able to buy a gun. I got the idea that he had been off of the no-fly list for awhile but I don't know that.

Mateen could not be deprived of his Second Amendment right without due process. Say, being convicted of a felony. Espousing radical Islam is protected by the First Amendment I think. Saying you think it is good that radical Islamic terrorists killed all those innocents in San Bernadino is protected by the First Amendment, I believe. That is, the government cannot deprive you of any of your constitutionally listed rights until you violate the law and you are convicted.

If Mateen had gone to Turkey and then illegally entered Syria and then returned and the Feds could prove it they could convict him of a felony and he would be prevented from buying firearms.

But there are a couple of things that contradict my understanding. I believe if you are restricted in a restraining order in a domestic situation then you can't buy a gun from an FFL legally. Yet you haven't been convicted of anything.

I believe he passed the background check because he hadn't been convicted of a higher crime. Not jay walking but say assault or stalking.

I do not understand how the government can keep citizens from flying on commercial airlines until they the citizen has been convicted of a crime. You know, due process.

So I think I know but I am not positive.

This administration has let other Radical Islamic terrorist attacks occur and the muslums that caused them "fall through the cracks",your answer is total incompetence or.............

https://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2016/06/13/the-brain-surgeon-and-the-cleaning-lady/

The FBI first became aware of Omar Mateen in 2013 when he made comments to coworkers "alleging possible terrorist ties." The feds interviewed Mateen three times in connection with his remarks -- which may have assumed more than casual importance in light of his employment by a security company that guards government buildings, and Mateen's ambitions to become a police officer.

Mateen was later removed from a terror watchlist after it was determined that he had broken no laws. The rest is history.

It joins abundant precedent. The father of the so-called underwear bomber warned by U.S. authorities of his son's intentions to attack America, but they fell through the cracks.

The Russian government warned U.S. authorities the Boston Marathon bombers were radical Islamists more than a year and a half before they killed many and maimed more. As with Mateen, the feds found that no laws were violated. The brothers were sent on their way until they reappeared with a blast.

The Pentagon failed to recognize numerous signs that Fort Hood shooter Nidal Malik Hasan was up to no good and communicating with terrorists.

The extensive arsenal, recent Middle East travel, and correspondence with Islamist extremists of Syed Rizwan Farook did nothing to alarm the FBI before he and his wife massacred 14 people at a Christmas party in San Bernardino

State Department after 600 requests for security upgrades from the Benghazi consulate failed to rouse Secretary Clinton to action. When asked how she could fail to see a telegraphed punch, Clinton could only say: "What difference, at this point, does it make?

The most disturbing aspect of recent terror attacks is that the authorities were taken by surprise each time despite advance warning. This serial failure undercuts the administration's claim to competence.

Do a web search on a former DHS employee named Phillip Haney.

Clearly I am not going to get an answer. So I am going to give up.Dave, thank you for yet more info on Benghazi....
A history lesson: A few years back, we all worked hard to get conservative republicans elected so we had control of the house and senate. Since then NOT ONE piece of meaningful legislation has been passed.NOT ONE. We were told that Obamacare would go away Didn't happen. We were told our borders would be sealed, Didnt happen, We were told that the VA healthcare system would be fixed, worse than ever. We are now being told that re-electing this same bunch of do nothings with a new leader is the all singing all dancing solution to our problems. INCLUDING GUN CONTROL...And toads will give you warts.
We are going to get way more gun control than we want, forced down our throats and shoved up our asses. This incident tipped the scales. All of that info available and we did nothing. WHY NOT?
You all can go back to your debates, name calling, pissing in each shoes...BUT for lords sake don't do anything...