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In airgun design and manufacture Turkish firms offer innovation as well as low cost and are surging ahead. In smoothbore design they are doing it the Spanish way of the 1980s. Traditional design at low prices directed to a shrinking client base.

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Adam, you mentioned the Kimber Valier. Although they're nice-looking guns, I know that the Ruffed Grouse Society bought a bunch of them and had trouble moving them. That's a gun that's been around for some time. Maybe we should start a thread and solicit opinions from those who've owned the guns.

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Thanks for the pictures Adam. Bobby

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Watch the sale section....Adam will be selling one shortly.

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I think the Valier has been dormant for a long time..Very complicated story there...It was a nice gun, I had one on loan for a while, never could quite develop any feeling for it...

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Originally Posted By: old colonel
Agree with you they seem capable of building some very nice guns. Unfortunately their low end guns have stigmatized them and they will have the same problem Spanish guns do even when great quality, that is they don't hold their value for resale.

They may offer some great value for quality at a lower price point, but I would only buy to hunt knowing resale later would be at a disadvantage



I don't know if it's as simple as that OC. I don't think the traditional low end American gun industry held back Parker, Fox, Lefever etc. Good quality usually ultimately gets recognized in the market place. I remember when Japan made crap cars and "MADE IN JAPAN" was shorthand for other crappy products. Hasn't been like that for a long time. It will depend on whether the Turks get serious about quality or choose to exploit the lower end only.


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Perugini & Visini purchased, one time only, Qty 10 AKUS barreled actions in the white in 2013 and completed in Italy. I purchased a 20Ga, 30", semi beavertail, prince of wales grip, with interchangeable chokes, and very nice Turkish walnut. The overall workmanship is excellent. My P&V model is similar to the ARKUS Estate Lux SXS. I shoot sporting clays and 5 stand - the 7 1/4 lbs works great for me.

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Webley and Scott shotguns and airguns are made in turkey, and have been for quite a while now. A friend in the club bought a small bore yildiz or something like that for his daughter to shoot clays. It was not a good purchase, and did give trouble. Thats not to say the turks cannot make good quality guns.

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Yeah it's a lot like watching a comercial for Burger King. The burger looks so good on TV but the one you get at the drive thru sucks.
I do agree that The Dickinsons are somewhat nice and I am budgeting a 410 hopefully in the next year.
Hey Adam, maybe you need one in 28 gauge and sell me that 100 Garbi of yours.


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Y'all are underestimating the Yildiz guns. Sure, they're inexpensive guns, and no one expects super high quality from a $489 gun, but take a Yildiz Elegante 4 apart and you will be amazed at the innards. My friends and I have three of them. I have shot mine a lot more than they have theirs, but none of them have ever given a problem. We lightened the trigger pulls on them, but that's it.

Not everybody wants, or has a use for, a sub-$500 double gun. But, some of us can enjoy them for what they are ....... reliable, weather resistant guns that you don't have to fret over.

I agree with Adam. The AKUS guns are getting better and better. I cannot imagine getting rid of my 30" Dickinson .410. I can envision, however, a higher grade 32" 20 gauge at some time.

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