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>>>The proof marks I see are from the period 1891-1939.The DDR adopted very similar marks, causing your confusion.<<<
No sir, when you compare the proof marks from the period 1891 - 1939 with the DDR marks than you can see the crown and the letters are different in form.
I have compared the shown marks with the proof marks on my Nimrod side by side shotgun, manufactured 1921 in Suhl and I'm absolutely shure this gun in question was manufactured in DDR after WWII by Ernst Thälmann Werke, formerly Fortuna Werke and formerly Sauer & Sohn. This factory was manufacturing Sauer & Sohn armory until end of 1960th and Sauer & Sohn, Eckernförde, Western Germany stand in action against and win at least.
I think the mark "MADE IN PRUSSIA" was made by the importer, to get a higher price, never seen in Germany.
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What may this be (red ring)?  Cheers, Gunwolf
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What about the two different caliber markings?
Somebody has manipulated this, but not possible when you have a look on system and barrels.
Inside the red ring not clearly enough, but may be letter S inside a rounded triangle, stands for "Sonderqualität". If it's true than another proof for Made in DDR.
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 The circle looks distorted so it is either some odd distortion or an overstamp as there is a 2 in there. Cheer, Raimey rse
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Also the term NITRO or similar isn't present so pre-1912.
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Jeeez....this turned into a pissing contest; the gun is coming to me next week and I'm going to have a lot of fun with it. I appreciate all the input. Where today can you buy a contemporary sxs of that obvious quality for $1800?
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Gunwolf
Down here in the south, we have a word for it being marked with two calibers, but I don't think I can say it in mixed company. In the Army it would be "FUBAR".
GER
The "S" in the red circle above looks like the typical S&S in an oval, not clearly stamped.
Mike
Last edited by Der Ami; 04/21/16 04:55 PM.
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these are great guns.i don't think i have seen a anson pattern on a GDR gun GDR has overhanging sear.i have a catalog with all the ernst thalmann-werk guns.fortuna,buhag,wolf,simson,hubertus,sauer,merkel.i think you have a great gun.and for 1800 you can get something from turkey.
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and raimey is correct this gun has intercepting sears.these guns are really high quality guns.i have worked on a few and in side are very nicely fit and finished.i would be very happy with that gun
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@Mike: I asked Wikepedia and got the right answer..  If iI read it right, it has possible german origin: "Furchtbar" but you "Amis" made something indecent out of it...  The gun is quite nice, and I'm pretty sure, it was not made in GDR. Especially nice are the long barrels. Enjoy it! Cheers, Gunwolf
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