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Originally Posted By: Humpty Dumpty


From Igor Robertovich Karklinsh's research http://shotguncollector.com/2016/03/28/lebeau-courally-between-truth-and-fiction/ it follows that "August Lebeau, the greatest maker of Liege, maker to Emperors" was a myth created by Ferdinand Courally to promote his business. (It's not that August Lebeau never existed or was a bad gunmaker, but he was likely "one of", and not "the").


Boy that's one big Matzah ball. I'd for one would like to see that substantiated. Is there any genealogy and/or birth/death info for August Lebeau? I wonder if info on Webley - Lebeau - Courally might shed some light? Would be interesting to delve into.


Arquebusier Lebeau frères et Cie, fabricants d'armes à Liège - 1880. So apparently there were a couple Brothers Lebeau in the arms trade.

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Thank you posting an English version of the article by Igor Robertovich Karklinsh. My 1st reaction is to say he should go to Liege, however, after taking another look at the pictures, I feel he did. He should have made use of the resources there. With two museums there are many brains to pick!

I could spend months going over this article, but it is not worth it to me. One of the most glaring mistakes is his references to the 1894 expo. He states that Lebeau died in 1896. So, is possible he was too sick to attend? Also, take a good look at the names. These are the same makers who formed the consortium that became FN. LeBeau was never part of the group.

Having said all this. My heart goes out to Igor for setting out alone to uncover this info. Is he still around? Does he speak English? He would make great addition here and I would love a session on Skype with him.

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Thanks Pete. Mr. Lebeau was a respected gun maker, without a doubt. Unfortunately, the meaning was slightly lost in translation into English. I deleted this passage.

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P.S. I have been many times in Liege

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Igor,

It so good to find that you are a member here!!! I respect the lonely research you have been doing in this regard. grin

I will contact you via a PM so that we can arrange some time on Skype.

Perhaps we can arrange a meeting in Liege. cool

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Isn't that discussion a bit of a moot point?
We all know what matter most is the end result, and not the brand.
I have definitely seen some pretty so-so L-Cs, and some fantastic ones.
I don't like 1950s Purdeys, but I love their 1880s to 1920s fare.

Of course, it's a great thing to know about the people involved...
But there is no one named Holland left at H&H. The brand can last a lot longer than the person. Of course, that is only true if the product quality and commercial success stays up or improves along the way...

Best regards,
WC-

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A great read. I lived for several years in Brussels and traveled to Liege in the 1980's but at the time did not know the history of Liege arms makers. I do know French ones. This has been an excellent history and artisanal lesson. Thanks. That gun is just...nice! And if you need some texts translated...I or wife can do. My youngest was born in Ixelles, Brussels.


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A very informative thread here. I hope I can add a little information soon.


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Pete, unfortunately there is a reason that I`m in a hurry to write about what I know. It would be grate to meet in Liege ... Maybe in the next life smirk

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Originally Posted By: Argo44
A great read. I lived for several years in Brussels and traveled to Liege in the 1980's but at the time did not know the history of Liege arms makers. I do know French ones. This has been an excellent history and artisanal lesson. Thanks. That gun is just...nice! And if you need some texts translated...I or wife can do. My youngest was born in Ixelles, Brussels.

Thanks for the nice review. Translation into French is a big challenge. Who will pay for this job?

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Originally Posted By: WildCattle
Isn't that discussion a bit of a moot point?
We all know what matter most is the end result, and not the brand.
I have definitely seen some pretty so-so L-Cs, and some fantastic ones.
I don't like 1950s Purdeys, but I love their 1880s to 1920s fare.

Of course, it's a great thing to know about the people involved...
But there is no one named Holland left at H&H. The brand can last a lot longer than the person. Of course, that is only true if the product quality and commercial success stays up or improves along the way...

Best regards,
WC-



I agree. New information allows to revise old stereotypes.

Kind regards,
Igor

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