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Resurrection --
I am looking at a SLE 20 marked Auguste LeBeau. It appears to have Whitworth fluid compressed chopper lump barrels and Brazier locks. Belgian proofs. Looks like an ENglish gun. Is this possible?
More details when I have it in hand on Monday.
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C-Man--Is that by any chance a 20ga from Kirby Hoyt? Just happened to see one described that way.
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Yes. This is on it's way to my smith for inspection - I'll see it there on Monday. It has some issues, but we'll find them all. It is built and looks like an English gun - even has a purvey type 3rd fastener.
If LeBeau died in 1896 - this would have to have been a late gun or it was not made by LeBeau himself?
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I looked at that gun too. Had the gun had 28" barrels I would have bought it. Very nice gun! Kirby is good to deal with.
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I looked at that gun too. Had the gun had 28" barrels I would have bought it. Very nice gun! Kirby is good to deal with. Buzz - I need to have a dedicated quail gun. I started out looking for another graded Fox 20 with 28" bbls and ejectors. After months, I decided to scratch the Fox idea -- they have become over-priced. Found a light weight Piotti 20 I liked, but couldn't close the deal to my satisfaction. In a perfect world this LeBeau would have 28" tubes. I will see how I like it on Monday. Yes, Kirby is good to deal with.
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Cman; I bet you will like it. I'm 6'1" so I like 28", but 26" is ok too. I don't think it really makes a hoot worth of difference on quail, 26" vs 28". I'm guessing I could shoot 26" as well as 28" in the heat of battle with the wild quail. Let us know how you like your new gun. Best, Buzz
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Larry
If LeBeau died in 1896 - this would have to have been a late gun or it was not made by LeBeau himself? From Igor Robertovich Karklinsh's research http://shotguncollector.com/2016/03/28/lebeau-courally-between-truth-and-fiction/ it follows that "August Lebeau, the greatest maker of Liege, maker to Emperors" was a myth created by Ferdinand Courally to promote his business. (It's not that August Lebeau never existed or was a bad gunmaker, but he was likely "one of", and not "the"). As a matter of fact, a lot of Lebeau-Courally guns are marked simply "Aug. Lebeau a Liege", and this went on for quite a while, at least until 1904-1905. By the way, Karklinsh believes Courally started his own numbering sequence from an arbitrary number in the 3xxxx range - 30000 or 31000, or some such - so it should be easy to tell from serial No whether a gun was before or after Lebeau's death and Courally's taking over.
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Larry
Yes. This is on it's way to my smith for inspection - I'll see it there on Monday. It has some issues, but we'll find them all. It is built and looks like an English gun - even has a purvey type 3rd fastener.
If LeBeau died in 1896 - this would have to have been a late gun or it was not made by LeBeau himself? This was common during the early part of the century. Even Beretta was touting their "english" features in their catalogs. It does not surprise me. Pete
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C Man, I've only done a couple deals with Kirby. Both satisfactory. Last summer, a friend bought a gun from him at the Great Northern. A couple issues became apparent once he started shooting the gun. (No reason Kirby should have been aware of them.) My friend contacted Kirby who took care of everything--on his dime. Not all dealers will do that.
Let us know how the inspection turns out. Sounds like an interesting gun.
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Larry
If LeBeau died in 1896 - this would have to have been a late gun or it was not made by LeBeau himself? From Igor Robertovich Karklinsh's research http://shotguncollector.com/2016/03/28/lebeau-courally-between-truth-and-fiction/ it follows that "August Lebeau, the greatest maker of Liege, maker to Emperors" was a myth created by Ferdinand Courally to promote his business. (It's not that August Lebeau never existed or was a bad gunmaker, but he was likely "one of", and not "the"). As a matter of fact, a lot of Lebeau-Courally guns are marked simply "Aug. Lebeau a Liege", and this went on for quite a while, at least until 1904-1905. By the way, Karklinsh believes Courally started his own numbering sequence from an arbitrary number in the 3xxxx range - 30000 or 31000, or some such - so it should be easy to tell from serial No whether a gun was before or after Lebeau's death and Courally's taking over. I agree there as you have Jules Bury and De Fourney among others also producing masterpieces.
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