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Gentlemen,
I have visited a 1925-26 12ga field grade Fox in near new condition except for a crack in the right panel and another putty repair in the fence/tang corner. The rest of the wood is very good with only very minor marks at the butt and the forearm is perfect. Barrell bluing is nice. 28" modified and full. the asking price is $1000. I am thinking $800. but don't want to pay more than $750. cause the governor is gonna factor in too. I also don't need it, but well you know. Opinions please? Hows my math?
Thanks to all,
Kurt
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You might factor in the $100-200 to properly repair the cracks and glasbed the head of the stock. And what load was someone shooting in the gun to crack the stock? If it was steel, the chokes may no longer be M/F. Also check the chamber length, possibly 2 5/8". And BTW Craig Libhart is in your neighborhood and does great work: Susquehanna Stockworks Bainbridge, PA (717) 367-3414 http://susquehannastockworks.com/about.htm
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I have no idea if you're right on the national average resale of 12 ga. Sterlingworths if that's what you're asking. Sticker shock number 1000, prognosticated what he'll take 800, your max 750. Clearly you have put your faith in a "mathematics" which compells you to offer less that 750. Might be question of osmotic pressure: how bad the gun wants to move from his sytem to yours. I look at the prices on GunsInternational and come away despairing of a successful buying strategy. If it was the local consignment rack where I am a frequent flier, I'd notice when the guy's losing hope because the shop keeps recording the periodic markdowns on the hangtag. Eventually, I get the "been here a while" notification from the clerk. They don't like to wear out their feather duster for 20%. Blustering about balls out is not a productive strategy for either buyer or seller IMO. Time is the best reality check. But since you asked, I doubt if the customary and usual offering as a fraction of the "sky's the limit" asking is much less than 2/3.
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Drew's method of discounting for defects on the "cost to repair" is an attractive strategy for buyers and one that may work occasionally; pushed too far I believe it leads to an unsuccessful negotiation. The logical extension of this thinking is find enuf defects, cost them out item by item price to correct and the gun is worth? How about less than nothing. This is most likely the case with a lot of bottom feeder junk but I don't see many minimally operational shotguns which will bring less than 200$. Conversely, the seller could I imagine also itemize all the features of operation and cosmetics which don't require correction and cost them out a la carte as if they did. The price tag then wouldn't be 150% or 200% of what the market will bear on a used gun; it would be 500%. The real question on shooters is can I live with the defects? rather than Can I get the seller to buy me a new gun? The answer to the second question is No.
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'Discounting for defects' never has much worked for me Jack. It is however an important reality check to work through. That's why I always carry a blunt stick to gun shows and gun shops with which to stab myself in the eye prior to making an offer on the 100 year old gun with 'issues' that I just can't live without- "Will buying this gun be worth that pain?" 
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No, because you don't need it.
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Jagerguy: Redemptive suffering doesn't count? (Actually, I let my wife carry the blunt stick. Avoids the 'I told you so's' later)
Last edited by revdocdrew; 06/16/07 01:52 PM.
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Drew,
If redemptive suffer counts when it comes to guns, I am a sure bet to walk through the gates! I have a closet full of guns with issues (redemptive suffering).
Kurt,
12GA Philly Sterlingworths are not a rare commodity. You can easily spend $1500+ to restock it. On the other hand, you could pick up a low grade replacement stock and do the fitting, etc yourself for much less. So, ask yourself which path you want...
As for the price, you should be very close to the mark. If you get it, be sure to write for the factory info.
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'Discounting for defects' never has much worked for me Jack. It is however an important reality check to work through. That's why I always carry a blunt stick to gun shows and gun shops with which to stab myself in the eye prior to making an offer on the 100 year old gun with 'issues' that I just can't live without- "Will buying this gun be worth that pain?" Dayum, I have jut got to get me one of those sticks!!!!
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I didn't look high and low for my Philly Sterlingworth, it was kinda just there, but the better standard 12s start in the 1k area and work-up from there.
The good ones are going fast.
The below 1k were a little crusty imho, but hey, I know some are slicksters and got the good deals.
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