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The Quebec government introduced legislation today that calls for tougher controls on the use of firearms.

The proposed legislation, formally known as Bill 9, is going to be more commonly called "Anastasia's Law" after Anastasia De Sousa -- who was killed last September in a shooting rampage at Montreal's Dawson College.

"Gun control is not a provincial jurisdiction and this bill is a very clear example of how it is not," CTV Montreal's John Grant said Friday.

"They can control things like shooting clubs and ranges but they can't really control the people who own the weapons."

The legislation calls for the prohibition of all firearms in and around teaching institutions.

"It's now illegal or will be illegal in Quebec to have a firearm near a school, a daycare, a kindergarten a CEGEP or a university," said Grant. "It will be illegal to carry them on public transit, including a school bus... taxis are exempt."

There are also stricter rules for gun clubs trying to receive and maintain licences.

Clubs will have to log members in and out and notify police if a person looks like they could be a potential danger to themselves or others.

"We think this a move in the right direction," Coalition For Gun Control's Wendy Cukier told CTV Montreal. "We think it's a good first step and we're hoping that (Quebec Premier Jean) Charest will continue to press (Prime Minister Stephen) Harper to not dismantle the federal firearms legislation and we're hoping the resources will be there to allow the police to do their job."

Charest is scheduled to hold a news conference this afternoon to talk about the new legislation.

Meanwhile, ADQ Leader Mario Dumont was reportedly disappointed with the legislation, saying it was much less than what Charest had previously promised, said Grant.

The legislation most likely won't become law until fall at the earliest, said Grant.
With files from The Canadian Press

"They can control things like shooting clubs and ranges but they can't really control the people who own the weapons."

Controlling people - that is what GC is all about eh ?

Yeah: That's what we call a "gun free zone" down here. Virginia Tech is a sterling example of how effective that kind of legislation is when enacted. As usual; the only ones who pay any attention to gun laws are the law abiding citizens.
The safest place that I spend a lot of time at is the Scottsdale Gun Club because virtually everyones armed.
Jim

Jim, I don't think Virginians see the writing on the wall at all and the Demos are screaming for more gun control in stead of examining what would have been the case if the students had been allowed guns in their rooms as we all had when I was in college. David

I am not really in favor of having kids at college have guns in their dorm rooms. Dorm rooms are often entered by many people without any chance for proper storage of a firearm. Most dorms start out with basic beds, chest and chairs for furniture. Gun safes are not a normal item in the room. Proper storages is a major part of gun ownership in my book. Gone are the days of leaving gun in the rear window of your pickup truck when you go into town. Do that today and you will be short a few guns and have to replace a few windows.

Now if a person has a right to carry permit I can see that they might be allowed to keep their gun when on campus taking class. As the regulations read now off duty police officers might be breaking the law to carry. And if you will not let a cop carry then who might you trust to defend your life.

In fact I a getting real tired of business posting sign telling me that my right to carry permit is not valid on their property. Not like I can check the gun at the door. I just make it a point to not shop or spend money at their store unless I have no other choice.

If you're going to enact a law in response to a specific event then it would seem to me that you would want the law to have prevented the event if it had existed before the event occurred. A law that wouldn't have prevented the Dawson shooting stands no chance of preventing like shootings in the future.

Would this law have prevented the perpetrator from bringing his weapon onto school grounds at Dawson college? No.

Would placing heightened restrictions on gun clubs and shooting ranges prevented the perpetrator from gong off the deep end and shooting up Dawson college? No.

This is pointless legislation that will in no way prevent similar events in the future.

It's nice to know that the U.S. doesn't have a monopoly on stupid politicians wasting time on useless legislation.

NTaxi, politicians are driven by a pervasive unwarranted fear, here and there.

There was a change in Montreal policing, however, as a result of the murder of 14 female engineering students by another nutcase 10 years ago.

At Dawson there was no securing the area: they went straight in, guns blazing. No stopping traffic and hiding behind trees.

From the TV coverage and student videos, the cops also weren't soft with bellys hanging over their belts.

King,
I'm not sure what your point is. How the police react to a given incident doesn't have anything to do with the laws that prevent, or fail to prevent a criminal act. Incidentally, there was a mall shooting shortly after the Va Tech incident where the police reacted very much like you describe. As well they should. The Columbine High School shootings taught the lesson that you simply cannot sit and wait for all the information or backup you would like to have before acting. As I understand it entering the crisis site without delay is SOP for most law enforcement agencies who actually HAVE an SOP for this type of situation. The environment at Va Tech, and what looks to be the reaction by the folks in Quebec are both examples of the attitude "We're a gun-free zone so we won't have to worry about this sort of thing." Stupid at best and fatal at worst.

As for your thinly veiled insult to U.S. law enforcement I can only say that we who have frequented this board for any length of time are more than aware that everything North of the border is sweetness and light, and the greatest worry for Canadians are all of us obese drug-addicted gun-slinging Delta Force wannabes to your South. You needn't belabor the point.

King,
You think the politicians are driven by fear? The reality is politicians drive the voters USING FEAR.

FUD is the marketing acronym for Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. It's as old as the hills and works well on the weak of mind.

What the pushers of gun control fail to answer is if these proposals had been in place before the shooting at Dawson it would have stopped the murderer or any other criminal how?????????????



Talk about your Freudian slip! They want all these gun control laws on the supposed pretense that it will keep people safe, and then admit it will do nothing because you can not control criminals who misuse them. However, they'll gladly control and disarm the innocent people who will be their victims.