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There is no HVAC system where my safe is located either. I don't have problems with rust what I have is mold trying to grow on the gun stocks. It's an all summer long battle to keep it cleaned off. Any suggestions on how to stop this would be appreciated. I do have a Golden Rod installed and another device for safes that circulates warm air. By the way I live on the gulf coast. Thanks, Mitch
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I coat the exterior of my guns with Renaissance Wax and I've never had any kind of rust problem. Keep in mind that any oil used is permeable and probably won't keep moisture from your firearms.
It is typical that some of the used firearms I acquire have surface rust on them. I remove this using a product such as Flitz before coating them with Renaissance Wax and the rust has not returned.
Jim
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James,
I can't imagine rust is the issue in Arizona that it is is some other parts of the world.
That said, getting back to the original question, I suspect trying to vacuum seal guns could actually be a disaster, if the vacuum got near the threshold of 22 inches or so. Any moisture left in the wood would begin to boil off around 20 inches, and I don't believe this would be a good thing. It would likely result in splits, cracks and shrinkage over time.
I doubt a home food preservation system can get down to that level of vacuum, but, it might just be a case of the same thing happening but, not quite as much of it at once.
The best way to counter rust is to find a way to keep the metal in the guns at the same temperature and the same hunidity (40-50) at all times. If the metal is cool and is suddenly put in warmer, more humid air, you will get condensation, and it will begin under the oil you have put on the gun, rendering it useless.
If you can't control the temp and humidity, you will have a hard time controlling rust.
Best,
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Here in LA I use plain old WD40, yes it gums up, but that gum is bullet proof when it comes to rust. WD also makes a long term rust proofing oil that tested best amoung all the gun oils on the market.
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I've been using a small piece of sheepskin saturated with RIG for almost 50 years. I just wipe them down and do nothing else - have even stored them in cases. Some guns have been in storage for years with the RIG wipedown with no signs of rust. And I live in a pretty humid area, altho nothing like the gulf coast.
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Take s look at this... http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=398836I've used Hornady's CLP with great success since seeing the results of this less-than-scientific test. Frog Lube would also get s nod, though I've never used it. I wouldn't vacuum pack a gun. Even with desiccant bags, you want air flow around steel. Using a high quality rust preventer like above and a gun sock when the gun is going to spend some time out of the safe has worked wonderfully for me.
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James,
I can't imagine rust is the issue in Arizona that it is is some other parts of the world.
That said, getting back to the original question, I suspect trying to vacuum seal guns could actually be a disaster, if the vacuum got near the threshold of 22 inches or so. Any moisture left in the wood would begin to boil off around 20 inches, and I don't believe this would be a good thing. It would likely result in splits, cracks and shrinkage over time.
I doubt a home food preservation system can get down to that level of vacuum, but, it might just be a case of the same thing happening but, not quite as much of it at once.
The best way to counter rust is to find a way to keep the metal in the guns at the same temperature and the same hunidity (40-50) at all times. If the metal is cool and is suddenly put in warmer, more humid air, you will get condensation, and it will begin under the oil you have put on the gun, rendering it useless.
If you can't control the temp and humidity, you will have a hard time controlling rust.
Best,
Ted Ted: In a general sense you are correct and rust is not a major problem here. However I get unprotected guns in all the time that I've either bought or that have been left for appraisal. It is rare to fine an example that doesn't have at least some surface rust on it. I have no way of knowing where these firearms were in past years and it's possible they were moved here from a more humid climate. Another reason I use Renaissance Wax is it protects metal from others handling the firearm. I'm sure you've seen the result from uncleaned fingerprints left on firearms over the years and it isn't a pretty sight! Jim
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Mitch,
Distilled white vinegar will take care of your mold problem, but you should make sure you use clean cloths to apply and throw them away and do not be tempted to reuse. Some recommend that you dilute 50-50 with water, but I apply more liberally, and I have not had a problem with leather. Mold spores are a challenge to get rid of unless you get aggressive. I have no clue how vinegar will effect stock finishes, but I know it will eliminate the mold.
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If you vacuum pack a gun, there is still air inside. Despite all of the vacuum pack claims for foods, I still get freezer burned meat in them. Here we don't need to worry about rust, but I have heard, and have no experience, that the Goldenrod works fine in a gun safe.
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I'll add one more vote for the Goldenrod in a gun safe. One friend has a very large safe that is in his unheated/ un-air conditioned garage, and a Golderod inside keep his guns from rusting. That was enough to convince me. While not in a Southern climate, we do get several months of humid weather in the summer. I also like RIG for long term storage, and have had good luck with Eezox, Ballistol, Hoppes Gun Oil, and numerous other brands when I am diligent enough to do periodic maintenance. And I acquired many large bags of Silica Gel desiccant which also works great if you remember to bake it once in a while to drive off the moisture. I have a couple guns stored in VPI or Vapor Phase Inhibitor bags that are remaining rust free even though they are past the advertised expiration date. VPI seems like an interesting concept, but I wonder about the long term health effects of having those vapors in your home.
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