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Thanks, I knew we were on the same page. I was thinkin'...that you were thinkin'...that I wasted all that time, barkin' up the wrong tree, rather than teaching myself damascus steel making.
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Did you see that new damascus solid rods are available as raw material for gun barrels and jewelry manufacture(?) directly bubble wrapped from Bombay, India? Some say wootz originially came from India. I've also heard or read Sri Lanca (Ceylon), Kurdistan, Persia, Assyria (nearby to Damascus City), and even Sweden. Is Kurdistan the general consensus?


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I doubt there is any hope of proving where Wootz originalted. It would have been widely traded as it was highly desirable stuff.

I'd bet on the re-emergence of barrel damascus - only highly automated.

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Verhoeven seems to think Wootz originated in S. India
http://met.iisc.ernet.in/~rangu/text.pdf

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Well most scholars from India agree: http://materials.iisc.ernet.in/~wootz/eritage/WOOTZ.htm
http://metalrg.iisc.ernet.in/~wootz/heritage/Ind-heritage.html

I have a couple of books on damascus and it's history, all point to India as the primary source. Rocketman is correct. This was a highly valued trade item.

Hey Robert, a 14" shotgun barrel?

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STILL working on the PictureTrail. Have found 3 excellent examples showing 2-, 3-, and 4-Iron Crolle patterns in which you can clearly count the number of 'scrolls' between the 'ribband' weld lines. This works fairly well in "Turkish" and "Horseshoe" Crolle patterns, not so well in others as the weld lines can be difficult to distinguish.

The 'ribband' weld lines are seen clearly in this 'Black and White' refinished Two Iron Crolle pattern. Within the weld is one 'scroll', representing one 'iron' or 'blade', and 1/2 of the adjacent 'iron' on each side. F Grade Lefever:



Three Iron Crolle has two full scrolls with a 1/2 scroll on each side. LC Smith 'Finest Damascus':



Four Iron Crolle:
Three full scrolls between two 1/2 scrolls within the ribband weld lines. Baker Presentation Grade:



Everybody see it?

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Best explaination and illustrations I've ever seen. Thanks.

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PeteM,
Howdah you know that's the only legnth? When I saw the part that said 51-100 employees, I figured there's probably something bigger, after all it's listed as "for the gunmaking and jewelry trade" ...sorry about the "howdah", from now on I'll leave the double entendre (no pun intended)to the other guys.

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It's probably pointless to say/ask...but...are you a member of the Ohio Gun Collectors Assoc? ..The reason I ask is because the editor of the the original OGCA newsletter called the "Hoss' Thief Gazette" also had a "long sufferin'" assistant editor...thought you might be related.
I second Rocketmans previous post!

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Robert: I'm a KS boy, though mostly edukatd at the U. of Mo.-Columbia, and WAY down the editorial chain in this household

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"Horseshoe" Damascus has been mentioned. This is Two Iron Crolle "Horseshoe" on a W.H. Baker & Co c. 1877-1880.
Note the ribband weld lines are a bit more difficult to pick out, but you can still see a more open full scroll with a 1/2 scroll on each side:


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Any opinions on the rib marking and pattern on these?

http://www.auctionarms.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=8035246

Was thinking "laminated" and "twist" were same....these certainly dont look like "twist though, so guess I was wrong?

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