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Hello,

I found this forum a few days ago and I have some questions about my new Otto-Bock double barrel rifle.

First of all, I would like to know when did it made? The seller said 1906 but I'm not sure. The serial number is 5473 .

Also could someone tell me the possible value of the gun? It has an old 4x Carl Zeiss Zielvier.

I enclose some picture from the signs.
Thank you!





















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Original pass thru the Suhl(as far as I can see) proof facility was pre-1912 with another thru Hungary proof facility in 1977(modification)/1988/ and possibly another or 2002? I see mechanic's initials HK(block) and DH?(script).


Otto Bock in 1907 at 52 years of age shouldering what is said to be a Nimrod with his loyal gundog Heiko. I think it says that Alice took the image or made it? "Nach einem Gem�lde von Frau Alice Bock-Wiukelrtiunn.

http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=276756&page=all


Cheers,

Raimey
rse

Welcome, BodoMate. Hope you enjoy this forum.

I have a system of valuation based on three factors - Brand Value level, Original Quality grade, and Current Condition level. It gives generally accurate results.

The least I can think is: BV4-OQ6-CC4 = $900 X 4 (for double rifle) = $3,600.

The most I can think is: BV3-5-CC4 = $2,400 X 4 + $9,600.

Most likely value seems: BV3.5-OQ5.5-CC4 = about $6,000.

The scope and mounts may raise the value some.

DDA

Possibly just a pass thru the Hungarian proof facility in 1977 & 1988. With the 9,1mm stamp it more than likely passed thru the German proof facility circa 1910, but a couple years earlier isn't out of reason.

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

Stumbled across a hammergun variant:

Given as SN 19008. Cal. .450 # 2 Nitro. South African or Kenyan registration number (?) �DS5406″ is stamped under cheekpiece.










Give as chopper lump?




I'd hazard a guess this Otto Bock example was sourced from Ke�ler.

Cheers,

Raimey
rse

Axel E. gives:

"According to Suhl traditions (Ernst G. Dieter: Im Zeichen ds Waffenschmieds, Teil 2, Erfindungen, Patente, Konstruktionen, Kursiorit�ten) the design of the "clamshell" action, in Germany variously named "Stabil-", "Ideal-" or "Muschelverschluss", is ascribed to E.Schmidt & Habermann, about 1910. The unsung E.Schmidt & Habermann company, Roschstr.1, Suhl, was founded in 1858 and existed til 1945 as one of the larger Suhl gunmakers. The name is little known now, as they were predominantly gunmakers to the trade, making guns not only for wholesalers like Geco and Akah, but also for obscure "country gunshops" and famous "name" gunmakers like Barella, the Kettners, Geyger, J.J. Reeb, Miller & Greiss, J. Peterlongo and you name them. All the famous pre-war "Original Wilhelm Brenneke, Leipzig" bolt action rifles not only bear their ESHA trademark hidden somewhere, but bear ESHA serial numbers, not Brenneke's. Of course they made the guns for the "Name" gunmakers to designs and "house style" of those "makers". Other "name" Suhl gunmakers like Bernhard Merkel (not Gebr.!) F.W.Kessler (a gunmaker to the trade too) and Greifelt also made clamshell actioned double rifles, but most likely they bought in at least the rough parts, if not guns in the white or even the complete guns from ESHA. No DRP patent or DRGM design protection for the clamshell action is known. Alas, it is merely an evolution of the early pinfire doubles with trough-shaped action bars. Some of those actions even had the action bar to standing breech angle reinforced by a web, not yet as pronounced as on the clamshell action, but clearly forerunners"

But another possibility is Helfricht & Fischer or Traugott Helfricht with DRGM 351857 on August 8th of 1908, noting the term Stabil.

Cheers,

Raimey
rse