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Mark: Definitely NOT twist and, though tough to tell from the pics, those do appear to be Laminated Steel (as stamped) which are very high quality damascus barrels.

Now that Oscar is gone, does anyone do an outstanding job on Black & White?

I saw an original, mint Parker A1S Damascus with Euro type original engraving at a Portland show two years ago. Most beautiful thing I'd ever seen. I cannot imagine anyone picking fluid steel when they could have Damascus.

Pete: Please see this thread
http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbt...age=5#Post43264
Most of the Parker fellas seem to be using Dale Edmonds.
Mike Orlen gave me Dan Morgan's contact infro:
Dan Morgan
Woodstock, VT
(802) 457-4828

Here is "London Laminated Steel" by J.P. Clabrough Bros


This one is made in Germany ??????

And American favorit The Ithaca Lewis grade 4

Casey

VERY nice Casey C. The second and third are both 'Two Iron Crolle'; a full scroll between two 1/2 scrolls within the ribband weld lines. The third has thicker lines and a more open scroll that has been called 'Horseshoe'
The beautiful Ithaca is 'Stars and Stripes' or 'American Flag Bunting'-stars within the scrolls-and I'll be adding that pic to the PictureTrail and thanks!

This is from "Fire-Arms Manufacture 1880", U.S. Department of Interior, Census Office. They are discussing barrels - Truing or Straightening of Barrels. I thought the reference to a "twisted barrel" significant.

Robert,
Look for water, railroad lines, steel producers and / or armories....

Pete

More sources of American made, hand hammered, twist/skelp barrels are...any guns made by, or with barrels made by, A V Sill of Buffalo NY, Miller brothers of Rochester NY, Losey & Lull of Mott's Corners NY. but mostly Levi Coon of Ithaca NY. The site, where in 1883, W H Baker established Baker Manufacturing>Ithaca Gun Works>Ithaca Gun Company, is a particular site on Fall Creek known as "Triphammer Falls". This site was once he site of (gun barrel maker) Levi Coon's triphammer untill about 1830. This site had been named after Conn's triphammer. By 1834, Levi had re-established himself at Mott's Corners only about 3 miles east. Coon's barrel making continued on, later to become Losey & Lull, until one by one most of their skilled employees went over to work for Baker at the very site Coon had left 50 years beforehand, Triphammer Falls. But it was not the loss of the skilled labor pool that ended Losey & Lull's barrel making business, it was Remingtons new "Cast Steel" barrels being manufactured only about 60 to the miles north.

Perhaps I pay not enough attention....where are the weld seams/lines on the "laminated" tubes? Am I just not looking hard enough or are they done by a slightly different process?

Best,
Mark

Mark: I've not been able to find anything which explains the difference between 'Laminated' and 'Crolle', but Dr Gaddy said the production method was similar. And I can't identify the ribband weld lines either- which might explain why Three Iron British Laminated Steel was the winner of the 1891 Birmingham Proof House Trial.

Glad this came up and here we go:
"Damascus or twist-steel barrels are made by layering alternate strips of steel and iron then welding them together. The strips are then twisted until they resembled a screw, three of these wound strips are then welded together, wound around a steel mandrel, then welded and hammered into a barrel tube. Laminated steel barrels are a bit different. They start with a ball of steel and iron that is then hammered into long strips and twisted, then, like their Damascus cousin, wound around a mandrel, welded and hammered into a barrel tube."
From The Shotgun Encyclopedia by John Taylor