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"The .410's bad rep is blown way out of proportion by those who will not use it PROPERLY."
I agree 100%. Beyond the light load's limitation of the small bore are the shooters limitation. We(I) just do a lousy job of judging distance and keeping shots restricted to close shots with a high percentage of success. I have shot more than a 150K .410 shells. I shot it exclusively for several years to work through a bad flinching problem. 200-500 rounds every week. Within 25 yards I am just as good with it as I am with a 12. Past 25 yards my kills go down and past 30 yards I rapidly drop off. I know my limitations. I try to get precise range marks or measure key points around any stationary hunting situations. But when working behind dogs or in moving hunts I just pass on a lot of shots that I would easily take with a larger gun. That's fine with me and I am sure most other here. A mans got to know his limitations.
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I'm not saying a .410 will fail to instill confidence in EVERY shooter. Your grandson is obviously a prodigy. What I am saying is the line of thought, right or wrong, is that the gun has enough of its own shortcomings and that placing it in the hands of a beginner is doing the beginner no favors.
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The 410 with proper chokes and loads is entirely adequate for game birds at skeet range and a little farther....don't try to make it do what a 28,20, or 16 will do at longer ranges. DeHaan S2 with 30" IC&M barrels and Fiocchi 2.5" #8's @ 1200fps. Mojo decoys bring doves well into skeet range making a good .410 a hoot to shoot. 
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I understand the premise, GregSY, not picking on you. I just think it is a faulty premise spewed forth by writers who wouldn't go to the trouble to learn to, or didn't have the discipline to, use it properly.
Now, these few who have strong opinions about it without ever having even owned one, well, I'll just say that I won't be quoting them.
All my best, SRH
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[quote=GregSY] SRH
P.S. moses, it ain't a hog gun.
You already did. Best, Ted
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Funny request, "...sell me on the 410...".
To paraphrase a very famous shooting instructor, "You've lost all practicality when you drove past the KFC on the way out of town to hunt."
With the thoughts of that shooting scholar in mind, a more meaningful request is: "sell me on Original or Extra Crispy?"
Eat and shoot what makes you happy.
If anyone sells anything, they owe Dave $10.
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Just bought my first .410 with plans to use it for an occasional quail hunt. Tried the little gun last week and it was frustrating at best. My success on pointed birds was 47%. The chokes are way too tight for 20 - 25 yard shots. Many birds shredded when hit. Looking at some barrel/choke work before I try it again on birds. Any suggestions from you quail hunters would be appreciated.
Dennis
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[quote=GregSY] SRH
P.S. moses, it ain't a hog gun.
You already did. Best, Ted ??? SRH
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Just bought my first .410 with plans to use it for an occasional quail hunt. Tried the little gun last week and it was frustrating at best. My success on pointed birds was 47%. The chokes are way too tight for 20 - 25 yard shots. Many birds shredded when hit. Looking at some barrel/choke work before I try it again on birds. Any suggestions from you quail hunters would be appreciated.
Dennis
I posted the following recently on the Upland Journal website http://www.uplandjournal.com/ under a thread titled .410 Choke constrictions. Heres what I posted. About eight years ago I was using .410s mainly for pheasant hunting at an Illinois put & take hunting area. Experimenting with several .410 SXSs I found shooting 7.5 shot through cyl/mod chokes to be very effective as long as I kept my shots under 30 yards. The other day, after I found my 16 needing repairs, I went quail hunting with a SXS .410 that I hadnt yet opened the full chokes on. However, I knew from patterning it that at about 25 yards the pattern opened up just fine and I shot several quail with it. Reading that entire thread, along with researching .410 work done by Chuck H and others on this board will answer any and all your questions. If youre really interested in .410s the British http://www.fourten.org.uk/ website also has good information. BTW as for referring members to other websites, Ive referred the readers at the Upland Journal website to the Doublegunshop website many times over. After all, we're here to learn from and help each other. Steve From the Department of Redundancy Department. Dang Dennis! It just dawned on me, you're the fellow who I posted the above response to on the other board. Apparently, I need more coffee!
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Just bought my first .410 with plans to use it for an occasional quail hunt. Tried the little gun last week and it was frustrating at best. My success on pointed birds was 47%. The chokes are way too tight for 20 - 25 yard shots. Many birds shredded when hit. Looking at some barrel/choke work before I try it again on birds. Any suggestions from you quail hunters would be appreciated.
Dennis
Dennis, My favorite pointed quail 410 is Mod/Cyl. When I first bought it and found it was reamed to Cylinder on the right barrel, I was really disappointed. After shooting many birds with it from quail/dove, to pheasant, I'm really pleased to pull it out to hunt. A few of my 410s... "composed pair" of Ithaca Field grade 28" ejector guns (3 s/n apart)   Italian Ferlib 28"   Parker Reproduction 28" 28g/.410(Galazan)  Ithaca/Lefever Nitro Special 26" Custom  Mario Beschi/Ithaca Classic Doubles 28" 
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