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So are the higher-grade Ideals built differently? Do they use a different system?

Or are they just embellished more? I though they were all built with the same mechanics -- like a Parker VHE and a Parker AAHE.

Again, I think the Ideals are neat, and at the right price, I think they're a good gun. I like the quirkiness of mine - from that pull-up lever to the built in leather sling. Very clever. If it had a top safety, it would be a great design. But it doesn't, so it's a bit of a two-legged stool.

For �20,000, I think you can buy nicer guns -- French, Belgian and British.

I've never had my hands on a Granger. I would love to see one, though.

OWD

I have had my hands on a Granger - a pair as a matter of fact. In my opinion, they were "as good as" guns; objectively as good as anyone's, but a bit different. They are in that realm of last few % points of quality where personal opinion/subjectivity takes over and nobody can prove superiority. Popularity, sure, but not actually better or worse for sure. Still fun to discuss.

DDA

I don't miss my 2CV, but the Type 15 Traction Avant was special to me. Great car. Not very fast acceleration, but it would cruise effortlessly all day. That said, in my twilight years the Ideal-Robust and the higher grade Darnes have even more appeal, without excluding the the fine English guns, of course.

I was blessed to examine one 20ga Granger. Granger is to game gun what Dorleac & Dorleac is to magazine sporting rifle.

But OWD, also look at the French Darne shotgun in Southeast Asia where the sweltering humidity swelled the paper shotshells to a point that the shell had to be rammed into the chamber something that the highly prized Darne was designed to do with ease.







But, we are off track from the original post.

There's a nice Guyot for sale on the Champlin website.

French cars: Working under cover in Morocco, I had a white Renault R-4. Sort of the next step up from a 2CV. Not your Hollywood version of a spy car, but then the real idea of a spy is to be invisible. And the white R-4 was, by a long ways, the most common vehicle on the road in Morocco. Had to be careful to remember where I parked and to look at my license plate to make sure I got in the right car. The "stick shift" was a pull-push affair that came out of the dashboard. Very basic transportation but quite reliable.

Rene' Guyot of Belgium (Silver Medal) and N. Guyot of France competed in Men's Trap at the 1900 Paris Olympic games
http://www.sports-reference.com/olympics/summer/1900/SHO/mens-trap.html

Cool. Thanks for the info.

I found out that a Guyot (I think it was N. Guyot) was a pigeon shooter who won the Monaco Grand Prix du Casino in 1901.

https://books.google.com/books?id=3HMCAA...901&f=false

This Guyot must have been very active in British & Euro pigeon shoots for a while to have competed at that level.

OWD

Concerning Guyot, have we established or answered;

How many gun makers and gun retailers traded under the Guyot name?

The time frame they were in existance?

But most importantly, did any Guyot make their own guns?

Or did they have their guns made by Francotte or by other makers in the Belgian trade or by other French makers?

Good questions.

How many? I believe there were several over 80+ years. Were they related? Perhaps.

Time frame? I think there were various Guyots in gun biz from the 1850s - 1950s+ or so.

Did they make any of their own guns? I don't know. Maybe yes, maybe no.

Francotte may of hand a hand in some. Some British makers-to-the-trade may of hand in some.

Some of the Guyot boxlock I have seen look very Francotte like, except for the ejectorwork. The Guyot sidelocks I've seen look very British.

I think N. Guyot had some patents to his name. But I don't know if he was a gun maker or a more of a procurer, like Henry Holland or H.J. Hussey.

So more questions than answers.

OWD