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In a wonderful example of the ability of the media to twist facts we have the following: The most famous incident that we had of terrorists coming over our border was on our northern border. Why aren't you talking about securing the northern border?" Followed accurately on this forum by King's post: But, as Westminster College political science professor Tobias T. Gibson noted in the Hill in 2014, “no successful terrorist attack on the United States has occurred from someone crossing the border from Canada.” Scott Walker's ridiculous entertainment of a northern border wall is a direct result of this manipulation by the media.
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Heck if I was Canadian I would encourage southern neighbors to put up razor wire along the border.
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Jim, it's not King who has taken things out of context. There is a clear concept put forth by the interviewer and agreed with by Walker's response that the idea of a northern wall, REPLICATING THAT PROPOSED FOR THE SOUTHERN BORDER, is a legitimate idea that should be discussed seriously. While King exaggerated the specific words used, he's not exaggerating the idea that was discussed by Walker and Todd.
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This whole business of terrorism coming from Canada into the US has it's origins in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 when it was reported that some of the 9/11 terrorists had entered the US via Canada. An important detail that was subsequently proven to be wholly incorrect.
But, as we have been discussing here, the power of the media is such that even proven false notions become facts when reported by the MSM.
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It is the media in action. Chuck Todd keeps pressing a question until an answer is given that can be twisted to their purpose. Walker never advocated a wall, much less razor wire. He did say the situation bears looking at and indeed it does.
We, as a nation, have a lot of undesireables intent on entering the country. If or when the border with Mexico is secured do you not think that they might just shift their intentions to the Canadian border. We need to ensure all of our borders are secure and if that requires fences or walls, so be it. In that respect, Walker is correct.
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....as we have been discussing here, the power of the media is such that even proven false notions become facts.... Actually, based on his WI political career, I'm surprised Walker didn't do better. On other hand, those that don't effectively neutralize pc should fall by the wayside. I'd suspect that a Walker revisit is more about branding R's rather than the face value of the issue.
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Walker could be correct if fences kept America safe, secure. Canada was blamed for letting terrorists in in 9/11. They dropped in as tourists through Maine after CIA/FBI warnings they were coming. The experience of UK, Europe, Russia, Canada and the US includes home-grown terrorists. They live here. All the secure borders won't affect them. Canada locked up two last week. Nothing is safe and certain. It never was.
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It is the media in action. Chuck Todd keeps pressing a question until an answer is given that can be twisted to their purpose. Walker never advocated a wall, much less razor wire. He did say the situation bears looking at and indeed it does.
We, as a nation, have a lot of undesireables intent on entering the country. If or when the border with Mexico is secured do you not think that they might just shift their intentions to the Canadian border. We need to ensure all of our borders are secure and if that requires fences or walls, so be it. In that respect, Walker is correct. I think you have bought the line that you have a problem with the Canadian border. When you don't. Without the 20 million Mexicans, WHO ARE NOT TERRORISTS, the subject would never have seen the light of day. I also think you have bought the line that any inconvenience/cost is worthwhile......if it saves just one life. That line has been made famous by do-gooding anti everything schoolmarms in both our countries. But it's not correct. At some point the fundamental reason that America is great gets lost when you close your borders, even to your closest ally and largest trading partner, and infringe daily on the freedoms of your citizens, all in the name of safety. It's a crock. You can't really have it both ways.
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I wish I had written that post. Absolutely, positively right on.
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I wish I had written that post. Absolutely, positively right on. Thank you King. But it's easy. Stick to facts, don't get involved in propaganda or "boosterism" and remember the fundamentals of what makes societies wealthy, because it is only with wealth can one afford to be generous.
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