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Glenn, the wax I bought from brownells is called liquid but the consistency is about like peanut butter...and it's not pure according to the label LINK
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The knowledge was posted pages back. Like I said filling the grain with finish alone will give a poor finish at best. L.F.
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Joe,
I simply can't agree with that statement. I've seen many and own several doubles with incredible finishs done by a local smith who uses nothing but a linseed oil based elixer, Period. The finishes on these and many fine doubles are only "Finish" and are truely exceptional. That said it does take a heap of time to complete such a finish.
Cheers, Michael
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The knowledge was posted pages back. Like I said filling the grain with finish alone will give a poor finish at best. A poor argument. I'll just stay the course with info like that.
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I posted earlier that plaster of paris is used as a filler, mixed in with your oil recipe.Also many makers have used spar varnish as a filler but always sand back to bare wood after application, before next coat. Polish, melt your carnuaba wax and dilute with white spirit until it has the consistency of butter when cold. Remember an application of wax will prevent penetration of further coats of oil. To polish or buff up for a finish you should use a rubbing block wrapped in lint free cloth (old tee shirt cotton)if you just use oil on your fingers you will be rubbing until you wear down to the elbows.
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That's the ticket. Thanks for wading in.
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The American address of Well Naturally is Box 5204, Blaine Washington 98231. Ground madder from Morocco (?) is $15.50/lb plus $3.50 postage to Chicago. Their site is a bit hard to figure out if searching for the product as it is hidden under "herbs". You can get into a "Who's on First" routine if you're not careful in making inquiries about it.
I'll get some for eventual use though in the meantime with my stash I can pretend to be knowledgeable in the premises and thus be right in there with the experienced double men. I should also look up the recent Edwardian thread and buy all the baize with in colors and materials thus becoming a Baize MadderMaster. With a couple buttplate screws from Galazan I will be right in there in the esoteric hardware department as well.
On the other hand with one of my vehicles now being worked on and relicensed I should be able to get out to the ranges and do some productive shooting. Big improvement in anyonje's book over collecting inventory.
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This thread started with how to obtain a Reddish finish to the woodwork.I think it has been very well received and a lot of good stuff is contained within these pages. For those of you interested in colour, Roy Dunlap gives some information in his book Gunsmithing.Leather dye is also a usefull source, for the traditionalist, alchemist, we have the natural cloth dye technology,Madder, Alkanet,Iron filings/Nails.Another good donor is Onion skins,you would be amazed how brown a colour you can get. Oil finish, here is the original Joe Manton oil recipe as recommended by Col. Sir Peter Hawker listed in his book Instructions to Young Sportsmen. Recipe for keeping the polish on Gunstocks. Cold drawn linseed oil 1 quart Gum Arabic (dissolved in warm water) 1/2 ounce Alkanet root 2 ounces Rose pink 1/2 ounce Vinegar 1/2 pint Boil these together and then let stand for 1 or 2 days. It should then be fit for use.
To apply it, rub a small quantity into the wood, let it stand for a day then rub it off clean.With a few such dressings, you will bring out a superior polish. Hawker also mentions 'if considered too troublesome to apply to gunstocks, it may still be worth applying to tables, or any kind of furniture'
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Salopian, what is rose pink? Update on the fill advice, used some plaster of Paris I had around and it is indeed a good filler. It's been awhile since I've redone a stock and I completely forgot that when near completion, the rottenstone from a rottenstone and oil polish will take care of all small voids. It is finer than plaster but also darker. The fill is always darker than the wood so I'll live with it. Thanks.
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Rose Pink, = whiting mixed with Brazil Logwood a orangey / red colourant. Modern alternative would be a reddened Plaster of Paris.
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