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Need smokeless suggestions for a 12 ga rifled gun #411438 07/22/15 01:52 PM
Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 7 Saugus, CA R J Talley OP Boxlock
OP R J Talley Boxlock Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 7 Saugus, CA	I took an H&R heavy slug gun and ordered some three inch 12 ga hulls from RCC. That was four years ago. I had a custom .730 mould made that drops a 750 grain bullet. I've been shooting 120-150 grains of 2F in it The recoil is brutal and I'm no softy. I dress out at 6'3" and 350 lbs and am not recoil shy but dang guys, this thing is a womper. Now add the smoke and the dirt and I'm not as in love with the gun as I once was. So, the thought dawned on me, what about going smokeless? The trouble is I have no idea where to start. I have maybe 10 lbs or AA5744, a boat load of Universal, Blue Dot and a few other powders. Where can I go to get some starting load data>? R J Talley Madison Fellow '98

Re: Need smokeless suggestions for a 12 ga rifled gun R J Talley #412131 07/27/15 10:46 AM
Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 3,573 Likes: 80 Alaska Mike Harrell Sidelock
Mike Harrell Sidelock Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 3,573 Likes: 80 Alaska	I used data from a very old shotgun reloading book. I'm at work at the moment but I'll look it up and post my load. See http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=342043#Post342043

Re: Need smokeless suggestions for a 12 ga rifled gun R J Talley #412188 07/27/15 04:20 PM
Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 3,573 Likes: 80 Alaska Mike Harrell Sidelock
Mike Harrell Sidelock Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 3,573 Likes: 80 Alaska	I got my load from the Lyman shotshell handbook 3rd edition.

Re: Need smokeless suggestions for a 12 ga rifled gun R J Talley #412271 07/28/15 08:48 AM
Joined: Mar 2015 Posts: 352 Likes: 33 Connecticut Chantry Sidelock
Chantry Sidelock Joined: Mar 2015 Posts: 352 Likes: 33 Connecticut	Originally Posted By: R J Talley I took an H&R heavy slug gun and ordered some three inch 12 ga hulls from RCC. That was four years ago. I had a custom .730 mould made that drops a 750 grain bullet. I've been shooting 120-150 grains of 2F in it The recoil is brutal and I'm no softy. I dress out at 6'3" and 350 lbs and am not recoil shy but dang guys, this thing is a womper. Now add the smoke and the dirt and I'm not as in love with the gun as I once was. So, the thought dawned on me, what about going smokeless? The trouble is I have no idea where to start. I have maybe 10 lbs or AA5744, a boat load of Universal, Blue Dot and a few other powders. Where can I go to get some starting load data>? You didn't say what you use the gun for, but any smokeless load that delivers similar velocities to your BP load is going to hurt even more. At 5 1/4 lbs (listed weight of the rifle) any BP or smokeless with that heavy slug is going to have some serious recoil. To reduce recoil, you could add weight to the inside of the butt stock, use one of the mercury recoil reducers, add a slip on recoil pad over the existing recoil pad or reduce the powder charge. I use a modern 10g with 1 1/2 of shot and 120 grains of 2F for cowboy shooting, but it weighs about 12 1/2 pounds so it doesn't hurt. I have become addicted to English hammered shotguns to the detriment of my wallet.

Re: Need smokeless suggestions for a 12 ga rifled gun R J Talley #412490 07/29/15 06:58 PM
Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 3,553 NH Franc Otte Sidelock
Franc Otte Sidelock Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 3,553 NH	If its the heavy/bull bbl version, it will weigh around 9 lb...I have one in 20 bore.It must weigh all of that with the scope. Had a ball mould made. It was very mild to shoot, but I don't know what pressure. I just used a very mild 1oz 20 bore load for the -7/8th oz ball,petals cut off the wad, some home made felt wads,then the 20 bore ball pess fit into a remmy case, nocrimp, sealed with blob of crisco. I'll have to end some to Tom Ambrust good luck franc

Re: Need smokeless suggestions for a 12 ga rifled gun R J Talley #417677 09/04/15 05:41 PM
Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,532 Likes: 169 Amarillo, Texas skeettx Sidelock
skeettx Sidelock Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,532 Likes: 169 Amarillo, Texas	Being a smart, selected and astute Madison Fellow, why would you shoot close to 2 ounce slugs out of a shotgun?? You do know you can shoot regular 2 3/4" slug loads out of this gun? http://www.buckandslug.webspace.virginmedia.com/slugdata/12f705data.html http://www.ballisticproducts.com/Slug-Loading-Manual-3rd-edition/productinfo/00MSLUG/ Last edited by skeettx; 09/04/15 05:49 PM. USAF RET 1971-95

Re: Need smokeless suggestions for a 12 ga rifled gun R J Talley #417715 09/05/15 07:10 AM
Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 544 Missouri Ozarks sharps4590 Sidelock
sharps4590 Sidelock Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 544 Missouri Ozarks	Actually a smokeless load delivering the same velocity will not give a higher calculated free recoil. No smokeless load giving the same velocity will require 120-150 grs. of powder. The weight of the powder charge is a factor in recoil calculation. Smokeless may well give a sharper recoil but the ft. lbs. will not be the same. NRA Benefactor 2008 NRA Patron 2007 NRA Endowment 1996 NRA Life 1988

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