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Like Ford said there are several possibilities for the script EK like Ernst Klett, Emil Klett(somewhat high probability), Erich Kelber(probably higher probability when coupled with the script Kelber L), etc.

Is there an ESHA stamp on any well, left side of tubeset lugs, standing breech????

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Very nice drilling. I have an Eduard Kettner combination gun in 8X57IR X 2 1/2" 16 gauge. It has accounted for numerous deer, turkey and hogs in south Texas.

From everything I see, There is no ESHA stamp anywhere on the frame or barrels. There is an "A" stamped on the rifle barrel that I missed in my posted pictures. The frame is stamped with a crown over a U and the serial number. The front edge of the frame is stamped with an R on the right side and an L on the left. I will upload more pictures and post asap.

What can I use to clean the lock and engraved areas?

You know, I just noticed something after a closer inspection of the images. The tubes have extension into the frame. Quite rare & only a select few used this option.

Also Franz Kettner put his Suhl address on the top of the tube which notes he sourced thru it to the mechanics in Suhl.


Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

ESHA also sourced tubes from the Sl concern.



My guess is that Franz Kettner sourced a gesteck/parts kit or possibly had a gesteck cobbled together from the most frugal of sources, then has the mechanics in Suhl to make it. This way he pads his bottom line.


Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Raimey,
Thank you for the detailed information. I'll have to sit down and try to comprehend it all. I have added more pictures if you care to look. I took a picture of the heart & diamond insert by the wrist, maybe that is something unique to a particular manufacture? It seems to be made out of horn? the same material the trigger guard is made of? I removed the trigger guard hoping to find more info, but no luck. Found it funny that even the cap has the serial# stamped on the back side. Also tried to get a good picture of a stamp near the "EK"... looks like a small omega or C stamped?

Thank you all again,
PSUKlinger

psuklinger,
The insert and triggerguard are made of horn( buffalo) rather than bone.BTW,it was not mentioned that the 16 ga chambers are 65mm (2 1/2-2 9/16")instead of 70mm(2 3/4") which is the current standard.It may have been rechambered and not marked, so checking it would be worthwhile.With the new photos, I now see the 233.While it is not in the usual location, I still believe it is the proof date.The extensions Raimey pointed out as being rare are basically the reverse of "side clips", which were peened in from the reciever and I believe easier than the extensions.It would be interesting to know how the extensions were added.The stock seems to have been refinished with the addition of a recoil pad.Others may criticize this,but in my opinion, there is nothing wrong with it.Now that I see there is a scope included,you have a very fine and useful drilling.Use it often and enjoy it.
Mike

Mike,
Thank you for this information. I am far from an expert (esp in German Drillings) and always learning.

I did not feel that the stock was refinished, but don't know everything to look for. As you pointed out the butt pad is not original. The engravings and bluing don't seem to have much of any handling marks which added to me believing the stock was original. If it is refinished, it is what it is, I'd love to know what you see to feel that so I know more of what to look for in the future.

It may be sacrilegious to admit, but I do not plan to shoot this piece. I am a sucker for pretty things. It came with a Zielvier scope, I feel I really lucked out with this purchase.

I would like to clean up the engraved areas, what type of clean could I use on this?
Thank you again
Matt

Hi
apart from the fact that I am jealous as hell that you have this beautiful piece and not me - looking at your pics I saw a photo of a Colt Woodsman Match Target which brought back memories!
The Woodsman Match Target was the first target pistol I owned back in the old days in Germany, about 1966 or so - wish I still had it.

Re cleaning the engraving: I assume you are referring to the action (metal - nitrite finish if I remember the term correctly)
I only use med. alcohol and Q-Tips on that with good results.
a soft brush (like a toothbrush) helps

regards
G�nter
NRA Life 1974

Gunter,
Thank you for the kind words.

That Woodsman Match Target is actually my Dads and it's a beuaty too. A 1949 in the original box in 98+% condition. He sent me that picture when he purchased it which ended up in the same folder as the Drilling pictures in my phone.

I will try cleaning the action with rubbing alcohol and see how it fairs. The last thing I want to do is mar any of it.
Thank you again
Matt