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There is something about border-less checkering that doesn't look right on a sxs. Or, maybe I'm just getting old.
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My Spanish not so best is a 12 Ga. Laurona SxS retailed by Sear & Roebuck, and is a spitting image of the Winchester Model 22 Laurona made, except it has hand cut basket weave style checkering. It has the "Black Chrome" finish like the Model 22, even.
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Wonder whether Winchester collectors are hot after those 22's. Not many of them made.
I had a Laurona OU that had the "twin single" trigger system, like the early Superposeds.
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--- snip -- You're asking the wrong guy. I couldn't pick out grades of Spanish guns if I had a gun to my head. I will say this-right after the A and D boxlock came into being, there were English firms that finished them up as "Bests". I'm guessing that era only lasted 10-20 years. Dig would know. People, both buyers and makers figured out it didn't take that much to get a boxlock out the door, compared to a sidelock, and people weren't going to pay best prices for them. I doubt the Spanish ever went through that same thing. A boxlock is always a shooter, and a sidelock is a bit more. --- snip ---
The Spanish gun makers have a long history of producing very fine, and very expensive, box lock shotguns. The only two makers I know of that still catalog a box lock are AyA and Ugartechea, and only AyA catalogs a truly top end box lock in the XXV-BL: Back before the great crisis the gun makers went through in the 1980s just about all the makers offered top end box lock guns, with full coverage engraving, including medium and deep relief engraving. Garbi, Grulla, Francisco Sarriugarte, Joaquín Fernández, Eduardo Schilling, et. al. offered box lock guns that that ran from impressive to just stunning. Here is a Ugartechea from the 1950s: Francisco Sarriugarte, ornate engraving with gold inlay: I’ve seen Spanish box lock guns with extensive damascene engraving, deep relief game scenes, even inlay done in platinum. These guns are rare, just as top end side lock guns are rare, and for the same reason; not many could afford to have one made. Kyrie, your first photo looks like a 4 Deluxe, except the receivers on those have a fancy back rather than straight back. It's my understanding that the XXV-BL is essentially a 4 Deluxe with 25" barrels and Churchill rib, and I've seen some of those. But they all had the fancy back receiver (scalloped). Engraving certainly looks the same as a 4 Deluxe.
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Another view for Redoak, with the tool (nicer wood on the tool, than the gun!) the spare strikers, and the pins that go in the tool. I really like disc set strikers on a boxlock. More than once, I've witnessed guns with integral striker/tumblers fail, and it is an expensive and lengthy repair. Both guns were out for the season. Best, Ted
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I have two of those Laurona O/U's with the double single triggers. One of them is a two barrel, two gauge set. I think they are VERY underrated. Just like many of the Spanish names I believe there are good ones and bad ones, you just need to know which is which to pick a winner. CHAZ
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I had a Laurona OU that had the "twin single" trigger system, like the early Superposeds. Maybe I'm being a little dense today but what is a twin single trigger? Ithaca1
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Kyrie, your first photo looks like a 4 Deluxe, except the receivers on those have a fancy back rather than straight back. It's my understanding that the XXV-BL is essentially a 4 Deluxe with 25" barrels and Churchill rib, and I've seen some of those. But they all had the fancy back receiver (scalloped). Engraving certainly looks the same as a 4 Deluxe.
Sorry, but no. The XXV-BL action is based on that of the discontinued model “Iberia II”. The Iberia has come and gone under one name or another since the 1960s, and when the new AyA was formed after the DIARM years it reappeared as the Yeoman. At this point in time the only gun that AyA catalogs that uses the old Iberia action appears to be the XXV-BL.
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