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No, what the Tea party wants is to be free from the sociopathic, unconstitutional inflictions being forced upon them by people like you. Progress? Now THAT'S laughable....

Keith, I don't want to debate The Great Society issue. There's clearly nothing to be accomplished there. However, I'll offer one personal and professional observation about it. The National Defense Education Act provided funds for teacher training that had very significant benefits for students. Unlike recent efforts to improve schools by merely announcing higher standards, this legislation created opportunities for teachers to improve their instruction in math, science, and foreign languages. Those teachers were my colleagues, and they were good at what they did. As that generation began to retire, I noticed that their replacements often lacked the academic rigor that we'd previously had.

Yes ed, we already know that all you have is bullshit. But when you have shit for brains... what else could we expect?

Serious question, was it the TEA party or Bush's fault. With your years of experience, is common core serving the next generation of teachers well.

Craig, I have to give both Bush's a pass here. The decline in teacher training was partly the loss of funding for advanced training. Another factor was the upheaval of the late 60's which lead to lower college standards. However, Bush's No Child Left Behind is a bad, bad program. Requiring more and tougher testing without improved teacher training is a dead end. Johnson's program worked because it strengthened the people in the trenches and equipped them to be more effective. The Common Core is a good idea, if only teachers are capable of carrying it out. It's too bad it's become a political issue.

Bill,

This is exactly what we've been talking about, the degradation of our public schools. There are two main reasons. The introduction of "New Math", and "Whole Language". New Math is different than any math instruction around the world. What the rest of the world teaches is referred to as "Scientific Math", and is available at the college level. The only exception I am aware of is Idaho, where it is taught in the schools.

Whole Language is, for all practical purposes, a form of Berlitz. The concept being based on simple memorization of words and phrases, rather than an in depth teaching of phonetics and grammar. This has created a high degree of functional illiteracy in our society.

Now, throw in the whole Humanities-taught concepts of "Victimhood" and "Entitlement" and "Evil America" and for many students it leads to a dead-end street ending in dependency on government at the expense of their fellow citizens.

I asked my friend why United States does not use SI is system like it is used in the rest of the industrialized world. He told me that conservatives would get real upset claiming that it does away with American exceptionalism.

The reason American primary and secondary education is not improving and kids aren't doing better lies with their parents. The values and focus in typical family unit are wrong. I would not worry about state of education as long as we have powerful military we can have the stupidest population in the world and they will still respect us out of fear.

Of course you don't wish to debate the failures of the Great Society Bill. If it accomplished what it was supposed to, we'd never hear the end of it from you.

Interesting that you are again all over the map on education. If you actually gave both Bush's a pass, I don't think anyone here can see it. You complain about the lack of teacher training as a root cause of No Child Left Behind problems, yet surely you know that Education Spending has increased dramatically since you started teaching... with a negative net result. Here's some data for you to digest from the U.S. Department of Education.

http://www2.ed.gov/about/overview/fed/10facts/index.html

I'd especially like you to study fact no. 2, which tells us how we spend more on education than National Defense... and how we are getting less for our money than other developed nations which spend far less per pupil.

Then look at fact no.5 which illustrates the massive increases in spending, even adjusted for inflation. Looks like the only years of very slight decline were under Jimmy Carter. Hmmmm.

Then check out fact no. 10 which deals with No Child Left Behind and tells us that under Bush's program, there was $2.9 Billion (per year) provided to the States for "Improving Teacher Quality Grants".

That's not what you tried to tell us Bill. Who is telling us lies Bill... you or the Department of Education? They are hardly a bastion of Conservatism that gets it's information from Rush Limbaugh or FOX News. I find it hard to believe you have never seen or heard these statistics before. After all, this is your field, and we have discussed the same here in the past, many times.

That begs the questions of why you are trying to feed us bullshit, and why you think you could get away with it here?

Don't go slippin' out the back door on us now, like you and King Brown are so prone to do when caught red-handed. Hey, here's a tip... you could always lie and say I put words in your mouth, and then pretend to ignore me like King Brown does. Works for him.

Edit--- Several teachers I know who were 100% in favor of Common Core now universally say it sucks, and that it does not recognize that all students do not develop at the identical rate or age. Anyone knows that... except for the agenda driven Libtards who implemented it... which might even include Jeb Bush.

It seems pace of curriculum should be based on the above average student and the stupid ones should be left behind. This is because our society needs street cleaners, refuse collectors, foot soldiers,....... The whole idea of no child left behind seems very stupid to me much like trying to create racing pony out of mule or a donkey.

Well done Keith !

every time you look at a comparison of public vs privates school costs the bloated public school system loses and offers worse,much worse results for the students.
Yet another reason why there should be NO unions in the public sector.