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The friend of mine has found H&H Royal Ejector gun in UK. S/n 23355, circa 1903, #1 from pair. According to the story he's been told gun been rebarreled and got new stock in 1981 at H&H. The reason of the replacements was Bad Storage Conditions, but at the same time the gun is 100% case colored and got no engravings at all, just Plain Jane. I've never heard about case colored plain Royal H&H and the price is very interesting - 15,000 UKPounds for the 100% condition Royal restored by H&H! My thots are the following. The gun been ruined and later complitely re-done by someone, maybe by apprentices at H&H... Engravings been deleted and receiver re-case colored again. IMHO this is the only reason why the price are so low. I didn't see photos yet. My friend is in Paris at the moment and the gun been delivered to Paris H&H Show Room and is waiting for my friend' final decision - seems they want to sell it very much. What d'you think about it or probably someone heard about this Royal allready?
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Geno, the H&H records are available, so one could find out about how the gun left the factory. I have never seen one with a plain case colored receiver, though I have seen several with a black finish and no engraving. Daryl
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Geno, I've seen border engraved H&H Badminton guns, but never a Royal. I would most certainly contact H&H and pay a small fee to find out if it left the factory that way rather than paying 30K BPS and find out later on the gun was not worth the price.
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Are you sure that it has no engraving at all? Are you sure it’s not just border engraved? If it is border engraved, I have one of similar age (1905). I also have the H&H catalogue from the same year. These guns were branded as plain action #2 royals. The Badminton name was not used until the 1930's I believe. I'm not surprised that they want to get rid of it but £15k is way, way too much. Look to pay no more than half that.
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I agree - the plain No2 Royal is not that uncommon. The gun looks to be a good candidate as a practical gun - all new barrels and stock as wellas a nice vintage action.
£15,000 is about par when you consider that Atkin Grant & Lang are charging the same when they re-stock, re-barrel and recondition guns of their own origin for selling now.
However, bear in mind that you can still pick up a very good Holland Royal at auction for well under £10,000 even taking commission into account.
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bear in mind that you can still pick up a very good Holland Royal at auction for well under £10,000 even taking commission into account. Where are these auctions located? I'll take 2 right now, no 3 Royal's 100% originally restored by maker! You our little islander friends are good tellers!
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I found three Royals at Holt's in March that were in excellent condition, one re-barrelled by Hollnd & Holland, some with original barrels. Of course, they were among lots of guns that I vetoed as unsatisfactory and unwise investments.
All sold for under £10,000. Laugh all you like Geno but if you give me £10,000 of your cash, I'll happily find you a Royal that you will struggle to find fault with.
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I've seen a number of plain-finished Royals (they were all marked Royal, too). They're not common, but they are out there.
From what I understand, they're not No. 2s, either - they're Royals.
I believe No. 2s were always a step down, just like the No. 3 (later the Dominions).
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I just recieved these photos. Mess on receiver flats is oil. Case colors looks o'key, but I can't figure out what could happened to barrels to be replaced? According to record gun's been fired 20 rounds only.
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I believe it's later Badminton model.
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