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Sometimes I feel as though CSMC is using the RBL as an apprentice program for their other models. I can't believe with all their experience building Foxes, Model 21's etc. that they would ship an RBL that was of questionable quality. Who inspects the guns before they are shipped? Where is quality control? Something just doesn't add up. Many RBL owners have been very pleased with their guns yet others are dissapointed. This thread makes me want to cancel my PIF 1/06 order. They need my money more than I need another 20 ga.
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Unfortunately, building guns of high quality isn't it's own reward. Those who pay high-end custom gun prices undeniably get fine quality. Those who pay $2500 to $4,000 get what comes off the line. Many are quite good, some not so much. Lou at CSMC saw this gun before shipment and told Chicago it was within spec. They got it back, looked at it again, and confirmed that it was good enough for an RBL. This isn't about failure of quality control, it's a about how much the owner of CSMC is willing to spend on RBL quality.
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My gun was ordered 11/26/2005 and I am still waiting. I have called several times, but no one knows when the gun will ship or where it is in the production queue.
It was supposedly started the third week in Feb. Next call it was started the first week in March....nobody can answer the simple question: "Where's my gun?"
I'm told to be patient and I will be rewarded...maybe not.
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I have three dogs in this hunt. One ordered very early and two later. These threads kind of make me sorry for the desire to buy American sometimes. Still, unless my health goes south fast I will wait. Now it still has to be determined if my wait is in vain. But from what I see the used or resale market for these guns is holding up fairly well so it should be no big deal to move them if I am not happy.
On a horse of another color I can almost bet the farm that if and when Ken gets th modern Lefever custom gun program that there will be a whole lot less bitching. But we are talking about a gun that will end up costing several times what the RBL cost so maybe that is to be expected. Time will tell.
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I can understand wanting to buy American but there seems to be at least half a dozen makers in the $2.5k-$4k range that make a respectable firearm and not have to wait over a year.
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It's really a shame they either can not, or feel it is not necessary to turn out a gun with consistent quality.
Tony would be way ahead of the game to next time offer: 1) gun in the white, which I think they will now do. 2) Offer as upgrades - custom stock dimensions, hand engraving (more than one option), hand checkering and hand rubbed stock finish. It complicates the manufacturing process, but I for one would have paid up to have those options, and the gun would be in my cabinet.
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Builder-
You asked whether I'd checked on my PIF 09/22/05 order... the answer is 'yes' but not recently...
I called back in Sept '06 and was told that it just went to the floor and they were now building my configuration(AOS, Exhibition Claro, ST, SG, 14 3/4" pull). Can anyone tell me if they have received theirs that have these same options???- Doug
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Doug,
I am sorry that you have not received yours yet. Something does not sound right. Someone posted they are up to the December orders. I think you should have a long and patient talk with Carol. If that does not help, call back again and talk to Lou.
I ordered mine with exhibition Turkish, straight grip, 14 3/4, splinter, double triggers and got it 14 months after a 9/21 PIF order. If I recall correctly, they were delivering the single trigger before the double trigger.
Best,
Milt
So many guns, so little time!
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It's odd that no one has posted any pictures or posts of recent deliveries. If there are 100 guns per week going into the shop it seems as though there would be some happy new owners wanting to share their hopefully good news.
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Doug:
Regardless of configuration your 9/22/05 order should have been to you several months ago. October 2005 was a big order month and my PIF 10/24/05 order was delivered to me 4/7/07. Reading various threads my order was delivered late.
According to Carol they have been building based on order date for quite awhile, and stopped building based on configuration over a year ago.
Hopefully you will receive a good one.
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