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1908 S,D&G Advert

Finally found a T.W. Stake(Theodore William Stake - one of original 1899 incorporators) shotgun advert.


1908 Advert also.

S,D&G also assisted their clients in selling their retail outlets?

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At the same time, 1911/1912, H.A. Lindner was advertising in country, also for single and double barrel sporting weapons: H.A. Lindner, Suhl



Also at the same time(late 1911/1912) he filed for a lockup design for breech-loaders( Verschluß für Kipplaufgewehre) under D.R.G.M. Gebrauchsmuster geschützt #555768.

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Raimey, can you tell us what the lock up design 555768 looked like ?

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Mr. Hallquist:
I was hoping that you or someone-else had an example. I really struggled to retrieve that tid-bit of info. For now and to me it seems that both S,D&G & Lindner were trying to broaden their client base and they may have been on different tangents. Everything seemed to really be opening up and it was about to come to a screeching halt.

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I would assume it was for the single trap and H.A. Lindner was trying to peddle some to the Germans. Mr. Wes Fink is to send me some images of one of his singles and I'm going to wad back thru the Daly Trap Guns looking for a clue.

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Maybe the Sextuple lock ?

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Mr. Hallquist, I believe we are on the same page, maybe not the correct page but the same page.


1914 S,D&G Daly Trap Gun Advert

I do suspect that D.R.G.M.(Deutsches Reichsgebrauchsmuster) 555768 of H.A. Lindner of Suhl was centered around the Charles Daly Sextuple. D.R.G.M.s were of the utility variety and holding the position of intended use or registered design but did not offer any patent protection. I believe it was referred to as a kleines Reichspatent or small Imperial or petty patent but the intent was as a poor man's protection on intent or design. I believe it was Sauerfan, http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbt...true#Post257385 , that put me on the straight & narrow on this and the use of the D.R.G.M. commenced on October 1st, 1891 and continued to say 1952 when it changed to D.B.G.M. I've read that it offered 10 years of intent or design protection but it appears it was valid for a 3 year period, of which could be extended for an additional 3 or 6 year period, which would approach the 10 year range. D.R.P.s were very expensive to file during this time and the associated cost in Germany was probably 2 to 3 times the cost of those in England. So with all that said, H.A. Lindner's registered use or design 555768 and Daly's adverts of the Sextuple originate approximately at the same time, or within a couple years of one another all point to H.A. Lindner as the culprit. I was hoping someone else had some insight.


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Mr. Hallquist, it is with great pleasure that I inform the small merry band of followers that Lindner Daly Sextuple #2458 wears DRGM 555768. Thanks to the grand efforts of Mr. Fink we will shortly have some images. So unequivocally or without reservation H.A. Lindner is the designer of the Sextuple lockup.

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DRMS(DRGM) 555768 on the standing breech of Lindner Daly Sextuple #2458. The G looks more like a S but it might just be my eyes.

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Ken Georgi & Vincent Tomaselli have an article on Mr. Wes Fink's S,D&G SBT as well as a 1912 advert in GGCA publication No. 37(Fall 2008) at pages 8-12. If indeed the S,D&G SBT was manufactured from 1912 - 1916 there were very few of the examples and for the 1st 3 year period I would garner a guess that almost all were sourced from H.A. Lindner.


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