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and then there is another side to it:

consider that most Americans don't give a damn about guns, one way or the other. but, they do care if they perceive their personal safety is threatened...so, every time we hear about someone getting shot by a stray bullet, our fear level goes up.

advertising that millions more people are now packin handguns, since 2007, does not help quell those fears...its not the criminals people fear so much now, as it is the random bullets flying around...

"The NRA and special interests did not define the Second... the Framers did... and the Supreme Court reaffirmed that over six tears ago. You still can't stomach it, and you celebrate the fact that Liberal politicians and judges are still finding creative ways to do end runs around it. You are not wrong that there have been, and continue to be infringements. They come from people just like you."

Perfect Keith !

And here is another one for ya King,(BTW we Americans carry guns because we can-not because we have to).



http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/07/09/murder-drops-as-concealed-carry-permits-rise-claims-study/

Murder rate drops as concealed carry permits rise, study claims.


A dramatic spike in the number of Americans with permits to carry concealed weapons coincides with an equally stark drop in violent crime, according to a new study, which Second Amendment advocates say makes the case that more guns can mean safer streets.

The study by the Crime Prevention Research Center found that 11.1 million Americans now have permits to carry concealed weapons, up from 4.5 million in 2007. The 146 percent increase has come even as both murder and violent crime rates have dropped by 22 percent !

�When you allow people to carry concealed handguns, you see changes in the behavior of criminals," said the center�s president, John R. Lott, a Fox News contributor. �Some criminals stop committing crimes, others move on to crimes in which they don�t come into contact with victims and others actually move to areas where they have less fear of being confronted by armed victims.�

Dave, Dave, Dave: you're like those fundamentalists who claim Jesus walked with the dinosaurs. There was no NRA at time of the Founding Fathers. The change was recent to what the Second is today. You acknowledge as "infringements" all those jurisdictions making the Second what they want it to be. But still the law.

I believe Brian posted earlier it would be better to have one federal law respecting firearms (as it is in Canada) instead of a hodgepodge of communities putting gun control to a vote. I'm not celebrating what those communities do other than commenting on their democratic example.

The Second is what majorities say it is. Majorities comprise liberals and conservatives. With the consumer approach to politics today, majorities provided at elections with "deals" of a lifetime---their wants rather than needs---change quickly, particularly with a trusted salesman.

Whether Americans carry because they can or have to is not the issue. They democratically make decisions on how they want to live. Their homicide record is not edifying among modern societies. It is a violent country.

we the people are more important than we the nra...

In 1998, MA passed a gun control law requiring a Firearm ID or a LTC to own a gun. Gun ownership fell by 80% in the intervening decade, to the point where now roughly 1 in 10 MA residents own a gun. Since 1998, in MA gun-related deaths have increased by 68%, and gun-related assault injuries have increased by 72%. Emergency room visits due to gun-related assaults have increased by a whopping 222%. At the same time, these rates were falling elsewhere in the US, where legal gun ownership rates were rising.

Reducing legal gun ownership does not reduce gun violence, or violence in general.

More guns less crime :

Two sets of data published by the FBI seven months apart show increased gun ownership coinciding with a reduction in violent crime.

Last July, the FBI completed its monthly update of an online table showing the number of firearm-related checks conducted through the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS). The new numbers showed that the number of checks increased from 8.9 million during the first six months of 2012, to a whopping 11.4 million during the same period in 2013, an increase of 29 percent.


This week, the FBI issued a report comparing the numbers of violent and property crimes reported by law enforcement agencies during the first half of 2012 to the numbers reported during the first half of 2013. According to the FBI�s Uniform Crime Reports Section, �Preliminary figures indicate that, as a whole, law enforcement agencies throughout the nation reported a decrease of 5.4 percent in the number of violent crimes brought to their attention for the first 6 months of 2013 when compared with figures reported for the same time in 2012.�

Under the Uniform Crime Reporting System, violent crime consists of four categories of crime, each of which experienced decreases during the first half of 2013. Murders decreased 6.9 percent, rapes decreased 10.6 percent, robberies decreased 1.8 percent, and aggravated assaults decreased 6.6 percent. Of 30 cities of 500,000 or greater population, 20 reported decreases in murders, two reported no change in their numbers, and only eight reported increases.



Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2014/02/25/fbi-more-guns-less-violent-crime/#ixzz37e07ttLm

From here (great site to bookmark to fight misinformation/lies from anti gunners who live in Canada

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/

MA Gun Law Proves All Gun Control Laws Are Bad Laws

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/07...s-are-bad-laws/

Gun ownership-as well as NRA membership is growing,the country is on our side and realizes that yes the Second Amendment is indeed an inalienable right to self defense.

Everyone at the time agreed that the federal government had no power to infringe on the right of the people to keep and bear arms. Contemporary debates for the most part also fail to address the essential question of why the right to bear arms was enshrined in the Constitution in the first place. The right to self-defense and to the means of defending oneself is a basic natural right that grows out of the right to life. The Second Amendment therefore does not grant the people a new right; it merely recognizes the inalienable natural right to self-defense.

dave k: and here is some other info, that perhaps those here are not aware of:

- the sky is usually blue, cept when it rains. then it takes on shades of gray.

- the water is also blue, most of the time. but, it also looks green from time to time.

Guns don't kill people, do they, Dave? People kill people. Americans are violent people compared to Canada and western Europe. I have no quarrel with what Americans do; I had nothing to do with making it the place it is. If gun ownership reduces homicides---there's a claim that 88 out of 100 Americans own one---the US should have the public safety record---and it's a far way from it. Problem with a few here is that referencing facts about guns makes one an anti-gunner. Does questioning Red Sox notions or their stats make one anti-baseball?