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Brian, if there is any question in your mind about King's motives and veracity, just re-read my post directly above yours. That is just a small fraction of his lies and double talk. You can ask him for answers to your questions, but don't expect the truth.

Perceptions have become reality because King has engaged in a long standing pattern of behavior, as opposed to perhaps making an error or slip of the tongue (or keyboard). King will launch an attack on the foundations of our gun rights, and then go into full denial mode when called out on it. He has been doing this on a regular basis ever since the shootings by a mentally ill gunman at Newtown, and he was among the cast of anti-gun trolls who has made every attempt to portray Obama and other vehemently anti-gun politicians as being pro-gun rights.

It's time folks understand that King has been, and will continue to be, totally dishonest about his feelings about the Second Amendment. He has made no secret that he disagrees with the very successful strategy of the NRA, and feels we should revert to a concessionary posture of give-backs and begging for what is rightfully ours.

King Brown claims to be our friend. Friends don't repeatedly lie to you and attempt to undermine your Constitutional Freedoms.

I accept entirely the sincerity and content of your message, Brian. When did you stop beating your wife? is how your list of questions appeared to me, coming under this nonsensical thread of my being an anti-gunner.

We all ask questions. It isn't arrogant to do so. I believe---and this comes from my craft---that a person can ask any question of another if it's seen in the public interest and not perceived as mean and mischievous.

Your view last paragraph of perceptions unfortunately doesn't work with those members who turn a comment or quote from sources as not only my personal opinion but prevarication and dishonesty.

I have never written anything that I knew was untrue i.e. describing circumstances of amending the Second cannot be ascribed as favouring the original or what it is now. Citing pros and cons is just that.

To say the Second is what courts say it is in dozens of jurisdictions isn't a knock on the Second; it is what is. To say New Yorkers are bad people for their restrictive regulations is ignorance; not all voted for them.

Similarly my criticism of NRA response after the massacre---an opinion shared by many---could hardly make me anti-NRA when I had provided information to the organization to assist in handling the public blowback.

There is a tiny cabal, however, that says my party, my organization right or wrong; criticize and you're an anti-gunner, an enemy. When I wrote I am not an anti-gunner and you know it---twice---I felt that as a reasonable person you would see it that way, too.

Answering your own questions was imaginative. At the risk of putting you in bad company, I repeat: your answers seemed reasonable to me.

You never cease to amaze King. Just when I think you can't get any more dishonest, you give us a load of bullshit like your last post.

How can you say this with a straight face and then deny that you are a liar?--



Here's your quote... your words... which I posted. These are not the comments or a quote from Mark Levin. These are your own words which you now have the gall to deny.



That was you King, who claimed that Levin and Stevens do not believe in an Individual RKBA. We all know Stevens doesn't, but Levin has never said that. You are attempting to ascribe beliefs to Levin which are NOT HIS. I didn't turn someone's personal opinion into your quote. These are your own words, and now you are essentially calling me a liar. In addition, you also said this about LIBERAL ex-Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens in the same post, #371868:



Now, you know damn well that ex-Justice Stevens was extreme Liberal Left in his rulings. You know he is now promoting a re-write of the Second Amendment because he so vehemently disagreed with the Heller decision recognizing an Individual Right and the right to bear arms for both national AND self-defense. Yet you went out of your way to paint him as a Conservative appointed by a Conservative, Richard Nixon. That wasn't exactly a lie. But it was very deceitful King.

In addition, you have not missed an opportunity to criticize the NRA except when you thought they were criticizing the open carry protesters in Texas. You abandoned your thread praising that when I told you that was the opinion of one staffer, and the NRA rebuked him and apologized for it. You claim you offered them help, but you only wanted them to lay down and allow the anti-gun Obama & Co. to have their way with us. You said you felt we should concede on Universal Registration... so you lied to Brian about imposing presumption of guilt type burdens on law abiding gun owners when you said his answers to the questions you would not answer seemed reasonable to you. In the aftermath of Newtown, you also said we should give up the fight against restrictions of high capacity clips (magazines). Your ideas of helping the NRA is like giving water to a drowning man.

You have gloated that the "Second is not inviolate" because it has been infringed upon in some locales by Liberal Leftist Democrat politicians who share your Leftist Socialist dogma, and who were elected by people of your Libtard mindset. You go on and on about the "Wild West Gun Culture" we have here, but all you had to say in Doug's recent thread about the killing and violence in Chicago last week was self serving crap where you again attack our notions about what the Second Amendment means... even though it is now settled law.:



Strange, to say the least, that you claim to not be anti-Second Amendment, yet you feel the need to correct our "wacky" notions of what it means, and those notions you agree with and tout and reproduce here are those of anti-gunners. Explain that. To say the Second is what the Courts say it is in dozens of jurisdictions actually is a knock on the Second Amendment now that the highest court in the land has made it settled law. But it is not settled as far as you are concerned, and you frequently make that argument by refusing to accept Supreme Court rulings that occurred six years ago. Those lower courts that upheld infringements on the Individual Right had it wrong King. Deal with it already. Actually, why don't you just stay out of it. You are not a citizen here. It's none of your business. Work on gun rights in Canada, where you have done absolutely nothing to help.

The best part is where you say you have never written anything that you knew was untrue. But you have been caught in so many lies here, so many times, it's hard to quantify. When you get busted... caught red handed, you resort to denial, or you attempt to distort what you actually said... even when quoted verbatim, as you have done here, or you just drop out of that thread and hide for a few days. But you always re-emerge with more lies for us.

If you seriously think you have never lied to us, you need to print out this whole thread and take it to your Doctor. You need help.

Strange, to say the least, that you claim to not be anti-Second Amendment, yet you feel the need to correct our "wacky" notions of what it means, and those notions you agree with and tout and reproduce here are those of anti-gunners. Explain that. To say the Second is what the Courts say it is in dozens of jurisdictions actually is a knock on the Second Amendment now that the highest court in the land has made it settled law.

Bingo !

King is more then happy to say he is a liberal,he also love tho claim he works behind the scenes to push his agenda-strangely like our "campaigner in chief",why not just come out and admit that you are anti-gun King ? (Because it exposes the sad attempt at "lulling" )

Exactly, the NRA and special interest groups made the Second what it is today. No one disputes it. It's settled. It does not, however, prevent what many Americans consider infringements on the Second by courts in state and municipal jurisdictions.

The "wacky" notion is that some believe the Second is inviolable, sacred, an inalienable right. How do you square that with jurisdictions all over the country interpreting it differently according to majority vote? Can and can't carry, different rules. If I am wrong in this respect, let's hear it.

I don't know how I can be anti-gun with a house full of them from an early age, an active gunner, collector, member of two gun clubs and promoter of gun rights, including chosen spokesman for four-county gunners at an all-political- party anti-gun rally. Your notion is silly.

Once again, smoke and hot air without ANY proof King-its getting old and you know better,a lot better !

The Founders framed the Second Amendment as a certification to protect what was frequently called �the first law of nature��the right of self-protection, an inalienable right�guaranteed to every citizen individually.

Understanding the Second Amendment�s intention that secures the right �to keep and bear arms�, it is important to establish the source of inalienable rights constitutionally. Constitution signer John Dickenson, like many of the others in his day, defined an inalienable right as a right �which God gave to you and which no inferior power has a right to take away.�

Read more at http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/01/self-d...1oOrGWfe4TSb.99

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,"

Sorry King but Canada and its "wacky" gun control laws not listed-so your SOL.

http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/fact-sheets/2011/guarantees-of-the-right-to-arms-in-stat.aspx



Now to the lapdog media,one look at the public's trust-lost after Fast And Furious,Benghazi,IRS,Veterans Admin,and now the illegal "crisis"

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2014/01/30/poll-msnbc-nbc-sink-to-bottom-of-public-trust

American public's most and least trusted news outlets found that NBC and MSNBC have sunk to the very bottom this year. Only 3% choose either as the networks they trust above all others. Fox News is the most trusted, with 35% choosing the "Fair and Balanced Network."

How can you be anti-gun with a house full of them? You just showed us again in your reply to Dave... because you're still pretending to ignore me for allegedly putting words in your mouth after I quoted you verbatim.

I explained how it came to pass that different courts interpreted the Second differently than what the Framers intended. It all came from Liberal Leftist like you. You are not the solution, you are the problem. The NRA and special interests did not define the Second... the Framers did... and the Supreme Court reaffirmed that over six tears ago. You still can't stomach it, and you celebrate the fact that Liberal politicians and judges are still finding creative ways to do end runs around it. You are not wrong that there have been, and continue to be infringements. They come from people just like you.

Real Pro-Gun Rights folks do not support and provide cover for the politicians and judges who subvert the Second. You are not just making observations. You are actively giving aid and comfort to the enemy. That makes you one of them... no matter how you slice it! You are no help and you are not our friend. And liar that you are, you keep right on trying to make dishonest excuses. You have NEVER promoted gun rights here until this thread. Now you keep piling up lies to re-invent yourself into something that you have never been until the last few days. Even then, you still keep posting things that deny and refute the Individual Right, such as your totally dishonest observation of Mark Levin's beliefs. Why not add Gun Rights advocate to your inflated resume? The only people you've managed to fool have been ed and Jagermeister, the brain trust of Misfires.

I'd love to hear what LULLING and concessionary words you said when you supposedly spoke to support gun rights in Canada. This is the first we ever heard of it after dozens of requests. Why should we believe anything you say now after all of your lies King?

King, You didn't respond here to my heartfelt reply to your lies and bullshit, and instead wrote these off topic comments within the Forum Decorum thread where they are inappropriate. I decided to also place them here for you, and my response will follow.





I know you always have trouble staying on topic within a thread, so with bountiful of generosity of spirit, I decided to help. You're welcome!

And here's my replies to those posts that were off-topic in the other thread King. More of your frequent anti-Second Amendment/anti-NRA/anti-gun comments... quoted verbatim... no lies involved... to follow. No need to impute motives. The motives seem quite evident after a prolonged drum beat.

Once again, King Brown is being dishonest and LULLING. He is once again repeating his tired refrain that it's all going by the wayside, so why fight it?... it's only a matter of time before we die off and the anti- gunners win Only thing is, it's not going away like King says. The number of guns in the U.S. has increased by nearly 50% since Bill Clinton was elected. People who really didn't care whether they ever owned a gun went out and bought one when it looked like they might lose that chance. People who never dreamed of carrying a gun got one when Concealed Carry became widespread. And the blood in the streets that was predicted by the anti-gunners has not happened. Quite the opposite really.

Women and girls are getting into the shooting sports. The antis will lie and say that private ownership of guns has fallen in recent years, but actual sales numbers disprove that. Gun makers are building new and larger production lines in Southern states where Liberal Left Democrats aren't trying to put them out of business. So many more new shooters shooting so many more new guns that even after the ammo hoarders have become glutted, ammo is still in short supply... with the production lines running full tilt 24/7.

King knows all of this. He's said the same crap before, and has been corrected before. But that won't stop him from repeating the same tired lies.

And oh, the hand wringing about the dangers of not embracing guys like ed and King who do nothing to support and protect our firearms freedoms, and do much to undermine them. What a crock of shit! We don't need friends like you. You are no help, and never have been. There are plenty of new shooters who can and will be better than you ever were. We don't need to help roll the Trojan Horse into our midst.

You support and give cover to the anti-gunners King. The anti-gunners are actually worse than a heroin junkie who would break in and steal my guns. The junkie only wants my guns to sell for quick money to buy drugs. He does not care if I replace them with insurance or my own money. The anti-gunners want to take them, and they eventually want to make it impossible to buy more. You help those anti-gunners King. You support them. You praise them. If you lived here, you would vote for them. Don't pretend to be on our side. Actions speak far louder than your words. Don't pretend to be our friend.

Give it up King. We're on to you and your LULLING and lying. We don't need you writing the epitaph of gun ownership and shooting. It's not true. But if we allow ourselves to be fooled by folks like you who do so much to subvert our Second Amendment, it could come to pass. I aim to see that does not happen. Not here. Not anywhere. I'll go along with what one of our Framers said before I fall for any more of your lies:

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined."

Patrick Henry

"The NRA and special interests did not define the Second... the Framers did... and the Supreme Court reaffirmed that over six tears ago. You still can't stomach it, and you celebrate the fact that Liberal politicians and judges are still finding creative ways to do end runs around it. You are not wrong that there have been, and continue to be infringements. They come from people just like you."

Perfect Keith !

And here is another one for ya King,(BTW we Americans carry guns because we can-not because we have to).



http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/07/09/murder-drops-as-concealed-carry-permits-rise-claims-study/

Murder rate drops as concealed carry permits rise, study claims.


A dramatic spike in the number of Americans with permits to carry concealed weapons coincides with an equally stark drop in violent crime, according to a new study, which Second Amendment advocates say makes the case that more guns can mean safer streets.

The study by the Crime Prevention Research Center found that 11.1 million Americans now have permits to carry concealed weapons, up from 4.5 million in 2007. The 146 percent increase has come even as both murder and violent crime rates have dropped by 22 percent.

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�When you allow people to carry concealed handguns, you see changes in the behavior of criminals," said the center�s president, John R. Lott, a Fox News contributor. �Some criminals stop committing crimes, others move on to crimes in which they don�t come into contact with victims and others actually move to areas where they have less fear of being confronted by armed victims.�