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I think its just to hard for you to read this forum and not get upset or try and tell someone else how to run "his" forum.
You know what would work for you ?The "calebg" double gun forum and then you could run it just like you want.

I can never understand why anyone who goes online and does not like what he reads or how its run doesn't just hit that little "x" in the upper right and move on but instead chooses to try and change it for his preference.

Its dave's board,enjoy it or leave-your call but don't try and run it like its yours-its not.

Jay, I had to go back and re-read calebg's initial post again because I couldn't recall him saying he was unaware of the Misfires forum. He did not say what you are claiming he said. He also said that the place has been full of racism and misogyny recently, which is untrue. And it's obvious he was referring to more than just RWTF.

As to being mystified by the "hidden agenda" Jim spoke of... you need to get out more often. There are a number of so-called gun guys who act and talk like gun guys, but over time, they have revealed themselves to both support vehemently anti-gun politicians, and those politicians' attempts to infringe upon the rights of law abiding gunowners in response to the relatively rare acts of criminals and mentally ill killers. Sometimes, as in the recent mass killing in Kalifornia, they are not dissuaded by the fact that half of the victims were stabbed. King Brown, for example, has repeatedly stated that the Second Amendment was never threatened even though he is well aware that the Heller and McDonald decisions were both razor thin 5-4 victories. He also knows damn well that a majority of the Senate voted to bring Obama's Assault Weapon and Magazine bans and Universal Backround Checks to the floor of the Senate for a vote. It took a huge mobilization by gun owners to impress upon their Representatives that it is a lie that most gun owners want such new restrictions. But that doesn't stop King Brown from repeatedly attempting to LULL guys here into complacency and inaction. He has been a frequent critic of the NRA and told us that the proper response to the attempted assault on gun rights would be to concede some things and try to win them back later.
Unfortunately, King is not alone. These Libtards as we fondly call them, have defended Fast and Furious, the IRS targeting of Conservatives, the hamstringing of I.C.E., the Border Patrol, and the I.N.S., as our borders remain far from secure. They defend the refusal to save an ambassador and 4 Navy Seals in Benghazi while defending the swap of 5 very dangerous AlQueda terrorists for 1 deserter. Even seeing over 100% voter turnout in some Florida and Ohio precincts, and even after a Hamilton County, Ohio board of elections worker admitted to voting for Obama 6 times, they will insist that there was no vote fraud by Democrats in the last 2 elections.

So it seems to me that if you aren't seeing any hidden agendas, it's strictly because you don't want to. And none of this will change that, and I too am spinning my wheels with you.

I still maintain that you, calebg, are being disingenuous in saying that what you saw recently is a recent phenomena... especially in light of your own words about Meg Whitman. Good thing this isn't part of your job in a Fortune 500 company or those words might come back to bite you in the a$$. You would be wrong to assume that off topic threads will no longer appear on the front page. They happen all the time, but it is only certain ones that get certain sensitive people all in a tizzy. And it might be instructive for you to do a little research on the egregious racism which is routinely practiced by the Liberal race hustlers who use charges of racism to advance their own careers and agendas. Here's 20 of them just to get you started:

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/ar...20by%20liberals

Who elected you arbiter of proper thought & speech ?

I think you might be confusing me with someone else. Apparently someone dug around and found my comment about eBay selling guy parts from years ago that reads:

"Being anti-gun and having political ambitions within the Republican party don't play well together, even in California. Looks like her political ambitions won out."

Are you insinuating that this is a sexist comment? In no way am I using her gender as an explicit or implicit critique; in fact, I make no reference to her gender. All I'm saying is that she's an instrumental politician, which isn't saying much. I have no problem whatsoever standing by this statement, and none of this would endanger my employment at any non-partisan organization in the country.

I am being 100% genuine in saying that I have never seen this sort of political vitriol on the main board before the past few weeks. I now realize it's always been here, but it's been fenced off in Misfires. I wish things had stayed that way.

No calebg, it has not always been fenced off in Misfires. Not even close. You can maintain that you are 100% genuine about never seeing them until recently, but you would had to have either very rarely visited this website, or just recently been cured of blindness. It was actually quite common before Dave Weber initiated the dedicated Second Amendment Informational Thread last year.

Maybe you should also write to Fox News and MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC, Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin, Al Sharpton, The New York Times, The Washington Post, etc. with your concerns about political vitriol, and attempt to censor the whole world to suit your sensitive nature.

Now grow a set, because I'm going to say something that may be really upsetting to you. There are Liberal Democrat politicians hell-bent on taking away our guns. Ignoring the threat will only make it easier for them, and they don't like our doubles any more that they like so-called assault rifles and handguns. Everywhere there are infringements upon our Second Amendment rights, there are Liberal Democrat politicians. And there are Liberal Democrats who support them, vote for them, and provide cover for their attacks on our Civil Rights. That's not very nice either, so either get used to hearing about it, or go away.

I have no idea where this is coming from. Nothing I've written has a thing to do with the Second Amendment or gun control. You're bringing up something that absolutely nobody else in this thread is talking about.

I started this thread because I don't think it's okay to use race, gender, or sexual orientation as an implicit or explicit critique of people.

Criticize politicians for their policies on the basis of their policies all you want. I'm generally uninterested in those conversations, but you're welcome to have them.

How is it that a suggestion for some better manners was turned into a left-wing vs. right-wing argument; all before page 2 of this thread? Fascinating.

Because it is.

Keith?

I didn't say it was in Caleb's initial post. It's here in his response to this first one from you, where you have him wearing panties and accuse him of being dishonest.



And here again a little later.


Do you really think it unexpected that an occasional visitor here, browsing for topics of particular interest, could have missed seeing threads that included comments pertaining to race or expressing sexist attitudes??

Hyperbolic overreaction seems to be the rule in these threads. Keith, you were a standup guy a while back in apologizing for something you said of me in a case of mistaken identity. Nothing egregious here, but where do I say I'm not "seeing any hidden agendas"?? I don't think there's much you can teach me about hidden agendas in anti-gun politics. They're prevalent and you'll find no example of my denying them. I thought it clear that my "mystery" and "mystified" remarks pertain only to the following about misogyny, where Jim suggested a "hidden agenda" in comments rejecting misogynistic statements he seemed to think were directed by some group of posters toward him and some other group ("now we're all misogynists!"), rather than merely at RWTF.


In threads like this it goes 'round and 'round, personal political agendas lead to discovery of opposing "hidden agendas" not only where they is, but where they ain't. When the latter, we damage our credibility in our efforts to protect our gun rights.

Jay

Caleb, your intent was clear to some here, but some others take criticism unrelated to gun rights as subversion of their zealous efforts to defend them. You may have thought I exaggerated, but this is what I meant in my first post about making yourself a target.

For most members looking at a thread like this, I think it's much as Amarillo Mike suggests -- gawking at a nasty wreck.

Jay