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My 1st guess with just this image would Belgian sourced tube steel with a non-zero probability for Ferlach also. Have you an image of the underside?

Let me look a bit.

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Raimey
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I'd say that in keeping his cost low and his profits high that this firearms merchant cat Chr. Hoffacker of Munchen sourced a gesteck or parts kit, possibly from various sources, & then contracted with some talented mechanic in either Zella Sankt Blasii, Mehlis or Suhl to complete the project. For the moment I'd guess the strength to be similar to those Krupp steel tube imports into the U.S. of A.

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Raimey
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Thanks Raimey! S

I do have a photo of the proof marks somewhere. They are Suhl marks (black powder)of about 1908. I will look up the photo or make a new one. S

Francis, of what do you fancy an image?

Reutzsch Production der deutschen Eisen- und Stahlindustrie in den Jahren 1884 -1886. Krupp'scher Kanonenstahl (derselbe besteht aus in Tiegeln geschmolzenem Puddelstahl und Eisen erster Qualit�t und verdient hinsichtlich der Widerstandsf�higkeit und Sicherheit mehr Vertrauen als Bessemer und Siemens Martin Stahl.)

How does this read?

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Raimey
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Just for clarity "flussstahl" was a generic term that had been in use in Germany at least since the 1870s.
Metallurgy of Steel, Henry Marion Howe, 1916
http://books.google.com/books?id=KX8MAAAAYAAJ&vq
The 1876 Philadelphian Nomenclature uses the terms ingot steel (French: acier fondu, German: flussstahl) for medium or high carbon molten origin steel with a tensile strength greater than 71,000 psi.
�Mild� or low carbon steel with a tensile strength less than 71,000 psi was referred to as ingot iron, fer fondu, and flusseisen. The dividing tensile strength for structural steels in the U.S. was later set at 65,000 psi.

I have begun to wonder about the origins of the initials LK.

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Raimey
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I didn't know what thread to hijack, so I'll commence with this one. Anyone know if the Brothers Rose, Tube Makers, rolled their own or were importers? I pick them up about 1860 with a Baker as an agent and they move forward:

In the 1870 Directory for Halesowen there are
Rose Brothers gun Barrel Manufactures Halesowen forge,
Rose William Henry spade and shovel manufactr Birmingham Street,

In the 1873 directory there are
Rose Bros gun barrel and steel tool manufactures Halesowen mills and forge Bromsgrove St
Rose George and John Aaron (bros) home Birch Hill,
Rose Major and William (bros) home The Mount.
Rose Moses (Bros) home Birmingham Road,
Rose Wm HY Spade and Shovel manfr, Birmingham St,

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Raimey
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ellenbr
Rose Brothers Hales Owen,1860-1892 was an important manufacturer of gun barrels. The company held several British patents related to barrel and tube making. One was granted for making twist barrels by machinery, British patent #13299 of 24th Oct 1850. Barrels made by Rose Brothers are often marked; "Roses Patent" or just "Roses."
Hales Owen is one of the towns in the area adjacent to Birmingham known as the Black Country. Other towns in the black country,included Wolverhampton, Darlaston, Willenhall, Wednesbury.These towns were the prime source of materials and components used by the Birmingham gun makers. The area was known as the black country because during the industrial revolution it was continually enveloped in smoke from the hundreds if not thousands of industries that used coal fired furnaces/boilers as their prime source of heat energy.

Thanks for the effort, Roy. Have your or anyone else seen a Rose tube or tubeset?

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Raimey
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