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And like it or not, Eibar.

I've also had both Aya and Ugartechea.

They are apple/orange in my experience, but I'm just one data point.

Can't believe the claim that an AYA is significantly better than a Uggi because "markets don't lie". In my book the Uggi is a better gun and certainly a better gun for the money. Yes, they sell for less, new and used, but I find them to be as well made, or better, than the AYA and to carry, balance, and shoot as well. What justifies the AYA's higher price? Between the two guns posited, I'd jump on the Uggi side lock. Just a nicer gun. But I would also shop the used market.

Why have a copy of a British gun when you could have a British gun?

$4K will buy a nice one in 12GA.

Didn't mean to exclude Eibar. That's why I put in an "etc". And I have no opinion on either the AYA or the Uggie, having never shot either. Or any Spanish gun for that matter.

My point was only about the separation between quality and price on the used market. Selling prices are significantly driven by factors in addition to quality.

You should be able to pick up W&S Model 700 for well below $4k - here is a sub-7 lb gun with 30" barrels, good chokes and stock dimensions:
Model 700
I owned one and the only reason I don't still have it is that I am a dummy.

Sauer boxlocks are another excellent value if you find one in good condition. This one is overpriced, but you get the idea:
Sauer

Since you asked, for my money, in that price range, I would buy a vintage Brit or German boxlock, Terry Wieland notwithstanding.

Hoof - PM sent, too.

I second Doverham's thoughts on the W&S 700.

You should be able to find a like new 12 ga W&S 700 for $2700 to $3500 & that provides some money left over for stock bending, recoil pad for LOP adjustment & adjustment of the chokes if needed.

I think they are one of the few really good buys out there in used guns & I wish I would have discovered them earlier in life as it would have saved me $$$.

If I were 5'10" my choices would be far greater. I have gotten so sick of 1 1/2" pads that weigh half a pound that I am determined to find a long stock.

CHAZ

There is a reasonably good W & S model 700 for sale near me for $1600 Cdn. Only problem is the hassle of getting it across the border.

I don't know what your LOP requirements are but most uncut W&S 700 double trigger gun are around 14 3/4" LOP to a checkered or grooved butt & the butts have not been drilled & plugged for balancing. This means you can easily go to 15 5/8" with a 1" pad & you can hollow out the butt to compensate for the weight of the pad to get the gun to balance properly.

I was fit at 14 7/8" but for a pistol grip. I would like to have 15" over a checkered (or grooved) butt.

This is an aside (highjacking my own thread) but I don't understand why more guns aren't built with longer stocks? Anyone buying a gun with a long stock can have it shortened and the butt checkered, but someone who needs a long stock can't "put it back on."

It just seems to me that someone doing decent volume on a certain gun (like Lion Country supply Uggies) could buy it with a long stock and high dimensions and then have it shortened and bent as needed and sell it as a "custom fit" gun almost immediately. I would think if you built a relationship with a gunsmith you could get a stock shortened and bent for a (comparatively) minimal upcharge. Wait time would be weeks instead of months.

CHAZ