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Er, yea, but they build guitars, not guitats....


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Ted

Perhaps a more polite answer..

"First let me unload it..gun points towards..."

Gee, a local guy has a big pair of tusks he got from his grandfather over 50 years ago and now I suppose they are illegal.

I don't expect common sense conservatives to undo these issues. They simply won't be willing to fight the PR battle involved in explaining to the public what this really means.

I have some carved walrus ivory from when I lived in AK that have the carvers initials on the pieces. I knew a few folks that had walrus tusks and one guy I knew had some Mammath tusks he found sticking out of the banks on some of the remote rivers he was running. I presume the mammath tusks meet the 100 year old requirement, in the Govt's eyes.

Since the Marine Mammal Protection Act of 1972, AK natives and probably certain tribes in the lower 48 have been the only entities that can legally harvest marine mammals in the US. A non native can only have a piece of walrus/narwhal ivory if it has been inscribed in some manner by a native.

When I lived in AK, Teddy Kennedy came up for a visit, and was given a raw walrus tusk. He was called on the carpet by the USFWS when he was caught trying to smuggle it out of the state, but nothing came of it. If I remember correctly, he was "enabled" by getting a native carver to put some inscription on it to make it legal for him to own and went on his way with the tusk. I'd have been fined a hefty fine, the tusk would have been confiscated and I probably would have spent some time in jail if it had been me.

I consigned about a dozen double guns and almost 200 collector knives to Heritage Auctions in January for their June auction. They are returning several knives to me because they have ivory handles and I do not have documentation to show when the tusks from which they were made entered the U.S. Heritage believes they would be subject to confiscation if offered for sale by them!

We need statutes and regulations banning non-gun owning Liberal bureaucrats and politicians from enacting legislation and making regulations that restrict gun owners from doing what they've been doing for hundreds of years.



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This does not just include the sale of ivory, it also includes the export and import of same. Any of you who has a shotgun or double rifle with so much as an ivory sight bead may find your gun confiscated if you take it out of the country to hunt, and attempt to bring it back home.

You will be dealing with a very gun-unfriendly government, and you will spend enormous time and money trying to prove age and provenence. You will probably never see your gun again. This is what happens when supposedly intelligent men vote for someone with a 100% anti-gun voting record and expect a different result.

November mid-terms are coming. This would be a good time to register to vote and join the NRA to both send a message and neuter the Golfer-in-Chief.

Elephant ivory has a "grain" or growth pattern consisting of lines perpendicular to the length of the tusk looking like 60/120 degree lines intersecting each other. Walrus ivory has no growth lines. Mammoth ivory has growth patterns looking similar to a herringbone pattern. Likely the Feds will not care about any of this and reasoning will be irrelevant.

The Dims are not interested in personal rights. They, like the Obamination, are Marxists only interested in the rights of the government, not the individual.
My great, great, great uncle was Lord Acton who was famous for saying "Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely". However, I feel his greatest insightful saying was "Socialism IS slavery". Insightful as he died min 1902.

Pete you exactly right about a grain structure in ivory. That and the smell when heated, which smells like burning hair are easy ways to tell fake from real ivory.

I just sent a number of guns out to be sold. This item was brought up and dealt with in what I thought was a decent way. I removed the ivory sights in four guns that were less than a hundred years old. Guns older than a hundred should be exempt from this new "ruling". Replaced them. the old ivory bead, with a modern sight which was a plastic ivory like bead and placed the ivory sight in a small coin envelope attached to the gun. This sight will be given to the new owner if they wish it. They can have it reinstalled if they wish.

The ivory can not be sold, imported or exported. A gift seemed safe as a way to keep the sight and gun in the same hands. And who knows the new owner may decide the trouble the bead may bring does not merit the risk. I am sure this loophole will be covered by executive order in due course. can not wait until the shoe is on the other foot and "conservative" executive orders are written. Sure the free press will feel free to howl and scream about the illegal actions then.