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#364020 04/12/14 08:30 PM
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This might effect some of us & yes it is gun related. May also effect on the value of your old piano or carving set you have in the sideboard.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-offi...ng-commercial-b

Significantly Restrict Domestic Resale of Elephant Ivory:
We will finalize a proposed rule that will reaffirm and clarify that sales across state lines are prohibited, except for bona fide antiques, and will prohibit sales within a state unless the seller can demonstrate an item was lawfully imported prior to 1990 for African elephants and 1975 for Asian elephants, or under an exemption document.
Clarify the Definition of “Antique”:
To qualify as an antique, an item must be more than 100 years old and meet other requirements under the Endangered Species Act. The onus will now fall on the importer, exporter, or seller to demonstrate that an item meets these criteria.

Good luck being able to prove the ivory grips on your Colt or the ivory bead on your SXS is either antique or lawfully imported before 1990. If they really wanted to help the elephant they need to step hard on the Chinese that fuel the demand for illegal animal products. Doing anything with the Chinese is difficult so our politicians will take the "we gotta do something" position and make are lives difficult without any benefit to the elephant.

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And how does the Gov't propose to determine elephant ivory form walrus ivory from wart hog ivory, from mastadon ivory from wooly mammoth ivory from hippopotomus ivory from elk ivory???

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More evidence of a completely inept, corrupt and idiotic "administration."

When you elect a clueless radical, why would you not expect him to be surrounded with other clueless radicals?

January 2017 cannot get here soon enough.

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I don't know about other ivory, but wooly mammoth, mastodon ivory has a different grain structure than modern elephant ivory. I have some mammoth ivory and it is easy to tell it from modern ivory.

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Now Ivory is on the "banned list of rare and endangered" things. well truth is it has been for several years. Many woods have been on this same type of list for several years. Raids on guitar makers have happened. I have a small pile of scrap ivory I have bought over the years and while I am not afraid of using it in projects I no longer would be willing to sell it to others. You can still give it away but soon possession will be a problem.

There is no way on Earth to prove where or when small pieces of ivory came from and this action is intended to take advantage of that. There are no serial numbers on ivory and ivory age is very hard to prove. The source, and if legal when and how harvested, are often untraceable and impossible to verify. You are guilty until proven innocent.

As to how you prove what you have is legal that is another question. If you commit a sex crime or kill someone you are assumed innocent until proven guilty. If you have a scrap of ivory you guilty until proven otherwise. I guess words written the US Constitution are fading with light and time. The world is upside down. Not to wish my little remaining life away but I can not wait for these people to leave office. Can not wait and I know the next group may be worse.

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The next group will only be worse if otherwise rational people stay home and not vote because the Republican candidate is "not conservative enough."

A moderate Republican is still far and away better for our country than Hillary Clinton or any other demorat that they parade out.

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Originally Posted By: LD1
I don't know about other ivory, but wooly mammoth, mastodon ivory has a different grain structure than modern elephant ivory. I have some mammoth ivory and it is easy to tell it from modern ivory.


Of late, we have had administrations that will argue the meaning of "is". If two of their experts declare you in possesion, do not expect it to go well. Regardless of what you think, or know.

The Fender guitar raid is connected to the IRS scandal. The owner is a well known contributer to conservative causes, and was fingered for such by the IRS.

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Originally Posted By: OldMaineWoodsman
The next group will only be worse if otherwise rational people stay home and not vote because the Republican candidate is "not conservative enough."

A moderate Republican is still far and away better for our country than Hillary Clinton or any other demorat that they parade out.
AMEN


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Ted I believe you meant to say Gibson Guitat Company ?


Mine's a tale that can't be told, my freedom I hold dear.


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I can see the conversation already.

"Sorry Sir, but we have to take those grips off that old 51' Navy you're selling so we can determine if its elephant ivory or not"

"You ain't touchin that Colt"

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