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Nothing really interesting. The rancher feels special doesn't like the rules and wants "free ride" to continue.

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The militias might start something but If they do the Feds will finish it.




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Do they really want another Waco ?

Then again as bad as Reno was I don't ever recall her being found in contempt,proposing that gun owners wear a bracelet or telling a Senator "you don't want to go there buddy"




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Funny you should bring up Waco. Holder's then boss Janet Reno should have been brought up on criminal charges herself after the fiasco she instigated there.
Poetic justice would be to jail Holder with that ugly lesbian Reno. eek wink
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Originally Posted By: Jagermeister
Nothing really interesting. The rancher feels special doesn't like the rules and wants "free ride" to continue.



How so, PJ? The land in question is not federal land, but, state of Nevada land-presumably, the rancher pays taxes in Nevada, and is a resident of that state, meaning that the land actually belongs to him, not the federales. Said rancher has offered, going back to 1997, to pay fees and use taxes to graze cattle on this land. "Free ride" hasn't been suggested, rather, a desert tortoise, which, is clearly not on the brink of extinction, has been offered up as a reason to forbid cattle grazing on this ground, to this rancher, something his family has done, lawfully, since 1873.

On a side note, at least the feds haven't burned his home to the ground with everyone in it, as they have in the past.


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In fact, the Government established a refuge for these "endangered" tortoises near Las Vegas, and they have propagated so well that the Feds are actually killing the excess. The ranchers proved that the cattle won't step on a tortoise by placing a stone the size of their shell in the middle of a cattle gate and herding the cows through the narrow opening. None would step on the stone.

Wouldn't it be something if the Government expended as much enforcement effort to keep illegal aliens and drug dealers from crossing the border as they do exercising excessive force against a U.S citizen and his family? They don't seem at all worried about the endangered middle class whose wages have been depressed for years due to competition from 11 to 20 million illegals who broke Federal law to come here.

Joe Biden recently said that the illegals are already citizens as far as he is concerned. When King sticks his nose in our business, I hope he'll make the offer to take in a few dozen of our illegals to work his Nova Scotia vinyard!


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Ted,
everything I read has stated this was taking place on the Lake Mead recreation area, BLM owned and controlled land, not state land. Bundy stopped paying the lease fees in 1993 in protest. I'm no fan of this type of operation, but this is not exactly an unexpected response from the Feds. An article detailing the back ground this story is here:

https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/nevada/good-progress-cattle-roundup-decelerate


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All it takes for another Waco is a few people who think their martyrdom will invoke change. I'm not quite ready to stand in that line with someone I don't know, but if it were my family being threatened then it might be a different story.

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What am I missing here. It's not Bundy's land, regardless of how long his ancestors have run cattle on it.

Ted, unless property laws are wildly different down there, your statement suggesting that because it may be state land, then it belongs to Bundy doesn't make sense to me. The state is a legal entity. It can own property. That doesn't mean the citizens own the property and can do what they please on it any more than they can act as the boss of state employees. e.g. "As your boss, Mr State Trooper, I'm ordering you not to write up that speeding ticket."

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