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I believe that the following belongs on the general board for all to see. This is not a MISFIRES topic. This is about our ability to own sporting guns. Its technical, not political.

If you own a Remington 870, Browning A5 or other pump or semi auto shotgun that you use to duck hunt, shoot sporting clays, trap, skeet etc. read on.

For those on this board that still dot understand the assault on our firearms rights. For those of you who don�t like black guns, who don�t like anything but �traditional hunting guns�. For those of you who don�t see the big deal in some �reasonable restrictions� that are put in place to �protect the children�.
The following is from NYS Penal Law. Read it then see my comments. N.Y. PEN. LAW � 265.00 : NY Code - Section 265.00: Definitions - See more at: http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/nycode/PEN/THREE/P/265/265.00#sthash.OQqDz20H.dpuf
Large capacity ammunition feeding device" means a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device, manufactured after September thirteenth, nineteen hundred ninety-four, that has a capacity of, or that can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than ten rounds of ammunition (since changed to 7 rounds when the SAFE Act was passed) ; provided, however, that such term does not include an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition. - See more at: http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/nycode/PEN/THREE/P/265/265.00#sthash.OQqDz20H.dpuf

The SAFE Act dropped that to 7 rounds total in the tube. Even though the District Court in Western NY ruled that arbitrary, the State Attorney general interpreted that to mean that the court ruling only applied to the counties within the district that the court covered, not the entire state. There is now conflict between the NY AG office and the NY State Police who stated that they will not enforce the 7 rd limit in any part of the state.
Benign you say. Who needs more than 5 rounds anyway?
What this law does is in effect ban Remington 870, Browning A5, Remington 1100/11-87, Winchester 1300, Remington Model 11 and any similar shotgun that has a tubular magazine regardless of its current capacity because anyone of those tubular feed magazines is �readily convertible� to hold more than 5 rounds . Readily convertible means no tools and any one of the above mentioned �traditional� shotguns only needs a simple twist off of the magazine cap and the addition of a magazine extension and it has been readily converted. Note that the law says "readily converted"; you don't have to actually convert it, possession of the firearm in unconverted condition is illegal under the law.
And if you ask law enforcement or politicians about this, they look at you like you are speaking mandarin Chinese; they don�t have a clue. And who here wants to rely on a clueless LE or Politico when your butt is about to be arrested?
The second issue stems from the use of short shells; 1.5� Aquilas which are available through normal commercial channels and in a Remington 870 with standard capacity allow it to hold more than 7 of these without the addition of a magazine extension.
The naysayers will be saying �who would enforce that, no one would arrest you for that�. Well, they said that about the SAFE Act here in NY and the day it went into effect, they made arrests for violations by unknowing gun owners.

And to counter those who say �that�s a minor technicality that wont hold up�; that same judge ruled that the �muzzle break� eliminated by the SAFE act is actually null and void since a �muzzle break� doesn�t exist. A muzzle brake does but not a break. One letter in one word voided that. So don�t think that a minor technical detail wont go against you either.

So the next time one of the left leaning members talks about �reasonable laws� or not caring about those evil looking guns etc. let them explain how your 870 is now illegal under the law of NYS.

The bottom line is that the SAFE Act is another attempt by the government (republicans and democrats in NY) to disarm law abiding citizens.
Yes Republicans also because if the NYS Senate Majority Leader Dean Skelos (Republican) didn�t strong arm all of the Republican Senators in that late night signing, it wouldn�t have happened.
As they say, the devil is in the details.

You are so spot on Brian that it's really scary!

And don't forget that prior to the passage of the SAFE Act, GOV Cuomo blurted out "we'll just confiscate them" and then came back and tried to retract that statement. That revealed what his true intentions were and still are. That was no out of context quote.

Long gun registration-ALL long guns, starts in Conn as well,you can hide your head in the sand and use the its not my shotgun for only so long.
"first they came for the black rifles and I didn't stop them .."

http://www.nraila.org/legislation/state-...on-april-1.aspx

Attention Connecticut Gun Owners and Sportsmen - Next Round of Anti-Gun Law Provisions Take Effect on April 1


EFFECTIVE ON APRIL 1, 2014:

Individuals must apply for a �long gun eligibility certificate� through the Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection (�DESPP�) to purchase any rifle or shotgun. You are exempt from this requirement if you have a Connecticut permit to carry a pistol or revolver; a pistol or revolver retail sales permit; or a pistol or revolver eligibility certificate.
The fee (tax) for this certificate is $35 and must be renewed every five years.
You must complete a DESPP-approved firearms training course.
You must submit fingerprints with your application and a fee of $50 for state fingerprints and $16.50 for federal fingerprints.

Thanks Brian. That's a good deed for your day.

"Even though the District Court in Western NY ruled that arbitrary, the State Attorney general interpreted that to mean that the court ruling only applied to the counties within the district that the court covered, not the entire state."

Does this mean the Second Amendment applies to counties within one court's jurisdiction, that there could be several/many observances and denials of the Amendment within one state? If so, it's not an inalienable right.

Practically, on this evidence, the Amendment means whatever people choose within a particular court's jurisdiction. In this case, long-gun registration and fingerprints in data banks, as applied to miscreants and sexual deviants.

Why does it take a soldier home from wars to bring this to our attention? Where are the guardians of reason? Sincere thanks, Brian. Beating this back will take more robust thinking than putting police in every school.

And don't forget the NYC magazine limit is 5 rounds. Even if it's a .22 rf and bolt action!! One guy had to modify or remove from NYC a Biathlon trainer!

When are you guys going to move?

Best,
Ted

Well, they can't move to Connecticut because gun owners there are also getting letters telling them to surrender certain firearms.

But maybe this thread should be moved to Misfires so we won't know about these infringments until we have a letter from the police in our own mailboxes.

This might be a good time to either join or renew an NRA membership. It's the cheapest and best firearms insurance policy any of us can buy.

Moving won't do it, Ted. Short term, yes. Joining the board 10 years ago, I said sentiment was going so quickly the other way, our sports would change beyond recognition within my lifetime as rurals fled to the cities for jobs, and reverence for all living things began to take hold.

It's proven impossible to impose one culture on another, yours on ours, ours on yours---or on Iraq and Afghanistan. From Canada's experience, from being outgunned by the cities and wearing the consequences of insane shooters, there's only the appeal to reason.

Brian's shot at Concorde demonstrates that a tiny constituency's injunction against firearms is clearly unreasonable from public safety perspectives. It took years of protest and orderly demonstrations in federal and provincial capitals for our tiny minority of shooters to make that point and reform our laws.

Some here see this as capitulation. From their cultural perspective it may be. But it worked in Canada, with recognition that it could all be for naught tomorrow if again a mental case or couple thugs choose to shoot it out over drugs on the streets of Toronto. That's how ephemeral laws have become.

You can call this anything you want but it's POLITICAL SOCIALISM pure and simple. If you reside in one of these "Progressive" State and you just roll over it will get worse A LOT WORSE .
Just look at what's happening in California and most of you know what happened in Great Britain and Australia when sensible gun laws" were enacted.
I don't know how many members we have on this forum but judging from the typical response to this type of threat most think it can't happen to them.
Well: It's time to get your collective heads out of the sand and recognize that ignoring the incursion that's being made on your 2nd Amendment rights isn't going away.
Jim

Gee whiz Jim. We give money to the NRA, vote with only one issue one our minds, do whatever public service things we can to introduce young people to the shooting sports; sorry my wife won't let me establish a public shooting safety course for attractive young women. What else do you think we ought to do? Join a militia and camp out on weekends to practice fire and maneuver troop movements?...Geo

Yes George I do all those things and I sure you do as well. The one item I don't see on your list is contacting your elected officials and letting them know where you stand. I believe that will be particularly important in this Novembers' elections as so many people are upset on several fronts that I won't get into here and I don't think it's going to take much to push some of the marginal elections our way.
My comments were directed at those who sit there with the smug impression that I only own and shoot sporting guns like shotguns so I'm safe and to Hell with everyone else and they're on their own.
The anti's have used a "divide and conquer" approach since day one and they will surely prevail as long as one firearms owners group could care less about what others collect and use.
The 2014 election IMO will be pivotal in defining what the future will be in regard to our preserving Constitutional rights. Apathy on our part will ensure we continue down the regressive path of the past 5 years.
I could state a LOT more but this area of the forum isn't supposed to be "political" so I'll just stop here.
Jim

The problem is... you can write to your elected officials until you're out of paper and postage, and it won't make a damn bit of difference.

It's not what you think that matters to them. It's only what they think is best for you that drives these idiots.

You can tell what they believe in by looking at their voting record. Don't listen to what they say, look at their voting record.

Then, if you agree with them, vote for them again. Otherwise, vote for someone who does stand with you.

Writing, phone calls, ads and posters are all a giant waste of time and resources.

You will not change an elected official's mind. Only money does that, and it's temporary.

I guess I'm fortunate in that my own Congressman David Schweikert(R) apparently does care. I have received personal messages back from him on firearms related issues and twice I've received calls from his staff. He ran and was elected as a staunch fiscal conservative and a strong supporter of our 2nd Amendment rights and hasn't disappointed any of his supporters. I may not have changed his mind on anything but at least he knows some of us are grateful for his support.
Unlike many in Congress who are lawyers he has a business background and his education was in finance.
It would be easy at this point to just give up and take the old position "My vote or opinion doesn't count". I don't believe this for a minute and will continue the fight to preserve our Constitutional rights as long as I'm capable of doing so. GOD BLESS AND PRESERVE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
Jim

You're preaching to the choir, Jim.

You've got a good guy in there, and it's nice of you to tell him thanks. But can you imagine me trying to convince the two clowns the people of Michigan sent to the Senate to change their minds about continually voting against my 2nd amendment rights?

All I can do is try to vote their communist asses out.

At least Levin is too old to run again... 'Liberal Debbie' (and she's a flaming idiot), we're stuck with for life.

"Writing, phone calls, ads and posters are all a giant waste of time and resources. You will not change an elected official's mind. Only money does that, and it's temporary."

What we can be very effective at is changing the minds of many who vote, and alerting many more who don't, to the infectious nature of government in all our lives. A farmer with his 870 often doesn't consider himself in the same category as a pistol shooter, but now he is and we can show him that. People start seeing the light when the perspective is brought to them personally. Be it light bulbs or phosphates in detergent or health insurance, it is about government making decisions on their own without consent from anyone. We need to be willing to be inconvenienced to get our story out, to talk to people, to send opinions to local newspapers, to speak at public meetings. The rights we have will never be unassailable. It always needs us to defend what we have. It is our responsibility.

If you should choose to speak out you will learn you are not alone. It might seem like it at first, but you're not. As example one only needs to look at what is happening in Colorado since the passage of laws that shooters their can't stand. Irregardless of any argument about the moral value of their new laws the actions of that state have galvanized many people. They are galvanized because they see those actions as transcending guns and becoming more about the assumed power of government. While the laws remain, some of the people in government who were responsible for them have been removed. In my own state we have actually gained ground in terms of gun rights. It was not simple and no one did it alone. It took years.

I hope you will excuse my rant, but the older I get the more I fear for the future of my country. I hate to die thinking we just became so complacent that the elite ruling class took it all without a fight.

Jim, if anything has got through here loud and clear is that bad things are happening all the time, and they don't have to look far to see it. Brian has put this in the proper forum. There's nothing I've read that suggests it's a subject for Misfires, where we often express opinions in less than a respectful way. Our discussion is about action, what to do.

Social action, community development, organizing grassroots coalitions to speak effectively to power is my day job. It begins with an honest assessment of reality. We're behind the eight ball in a Disney world of emotional responses prevailing over reason. Turnarounds come from constant proselytizing, personally and through your NRA or our NFA. Education must advance on the broadest possible front.

Last Thursday I met with our federal justice minister who worked hard to end the long-gun registration. In order to have good leaders, however, there must be good followers from which they can draw strength. Writing, joining, explaining to innocents and disbelievers is part of it. Rallying organizations, Legions, labour, political parties etc into broad coalitions cuts more ice. Veterans with medals in winter on Parliament Hill says something.

What you don't do---as demonstrated continually here---is deliberately, consciously make schisms in the choir, damning those who are naturally drawn to a crusade of reform and vigilance.. Successful campaigns make a big tent for everyone who wants to right a wrong without having to pass a Rorschach Test. Make reason your message. The Second isn't enough.

The regulations Brian has brought to our attention have no relevance to public safety.

We don't call them 'leaders' here KB.

They are, instead, representatives.

They are also sworn to 'preserve, defend, etc' the system into which they are elected to represent us.

That means keep your hands off the rights of the people and your hand out of the cookie jar.

Their job, and their only job, is to represent their electors.

Many of them read much more into the job than is actually there.

The most dangerous branch of the three is the judicial. The will of the people means nothing to them, absolutely nothing, and there does not seem to be a defense against them.

Sonia and Elena know what's best for us. Send 'em a valentine next year if you want.

Organized and effective protest isn't valentines, shotgun. Your politicians are as vulnerable as ours: voters decide whether they keep their gigs. In order to change things, you have to name things, make publics come to grips with reality. Registration---fingerprints, no less---and repeater regulations won't strengthen public safety. Canadians came to see long-gun registration as a colossal waste of money with no public safety benefits in spite of opposition from two of the three federal political parties and police forces from ocean to ocean to ocean.

Change won't come from looking to or paying others to look after our business. The US is filled with examples of citizens taking responsibility for how they want to live. Students stopped the war in Vietnam, took away LBJ's job. Nader alone was one of the most powerful people in America. To say US governance is endemically rigged against the public interest seems an unwarranted indictment of the American people to me. The American ethos never embraced defeatism.

Geo, if you are really doing those things... aside from joining a local militia group... and you are also calling, writing, and e-mailing your elected representatives... then you don't have to be defensive about this. You are not the problem.

But more than 9 out of 10 gun owners do not belong to the NRA, or even donate a few bucks when the NRA is fighting to maintain our rights.

Many gun owners obviously don't even think about the Second Amendment when they enter the voting booth. The proof is in the White House.

Many more gun owners don't even bother to vote. And they sure as hell can't be bothered to call their Congressman to counter the lie that a majority of gun owners want Universal Registration and so-called sensible gun laws. That's sad.

Brian is correct to bring the results of the New York SAFE Act to everyone's attention. Too many gun owners are too complacent and simply lack knowledge about the very real threats we face every day. Thousands of law abiding gun owners in Connecticut are now felons because they have not complied with similar letters from the government telling them to surrender certain sporting firearms. The only reason they got those letters was because those guns were registered and the government knew they had them.

Yet recall that in the Supreme Court decision of Haynes vs. the United States, the court ruled that felons cannot be compelled to register their guns because that would violate their Fifth Amendment right to not incriminate themselves. The Universal Gun Registration that Obama wants is aimed at us... not criminals.

http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/cramer.haynes.html

Many gun owners do not like to be reminded that they aren't doing enough to protect our Civil Rights under the 2nd Amendment. That's too bad. It's the truth. Sometimes the truth hurts. Some would say that creates "schisms", but where's the harm in alienating someone who will never do anything to help anyway? Pretending to be alienated is just a convenient excuse for many. It's easier to not fall into a hole than to dig yourself out of one, so we need to be proactive instead of just reactive. I disagree with King that it's just a matter of the urbanization of America that will lead to our decline. There are nearly 50% more guns in the U.S. than there were 15 years ago. The interest in guns and shooting is still there. It's the interest in maintaining our rights that needs work... lots of work.

"What else do you think we ought to do? Join a militia and camp out on weekends to practice fire and maneuver troop movements?...Geo"

Members acknowledge there's a need for something else to protect from incursions which are as much a result of how your governance is structured i.e. the Second means something in some districts and nothing in others.

Members also acknowledge what's not working despite their joining, communicating with their elected, contributing generously to their lobbies, setting good examples in their communities. But no mention of organizing.

Public and corporate cultural change---organizational change are the same things although managerial change is more analytical, culture more emotional requiring greater sensitivity and patience.

There's been significant corporate change as environmentalists invaded the boardrooms of corporate North America. Not always from science-based evidence or reason but because their catchy messages "resonated" with wide audiences.

The incursions will expand as long as the fraternity holds on to what's not working. Organize as we did here, with the caveat that nothing is ever safe or certain with any law or Amendment.

PS: I cautioned earlier that one culture cannot be imposed on another. An example is your Act of 2,300 pages, ours of 13 pages which literally turned a public service upside-down. Let's not breathe its name here on the front page.

The primary things to do are those Keith alluded to in his above post. The major problems we are fighting in addition to apathy on the part of firearms owners is gross misinformation perpetuated by "progressives" in collusion with the "mainstream news media". "FACT: THE NEWS IN THIS COUNTRY IS NO LONGER OBJECTIVELY REPORTED ANY MORE THAN IT'S OBJECTIVELY REPORTED BY PRAVDA IN RUSSIA.
Gun owners are universally painted as at best uncivilized oafs and at worse potential criminals much as Janet Napolitiano(Homeland Security) labeled are returning veterans as potential terrorists who shouldn't be permitted to possess guns.
We have to counter this impression given to most Americans and the ONE effective way we can do it is on the Internet which the "progressives" have not been able to muzzle as of yet.
It's up to all of you to determine what the future holds in regard to freedom for our children and grandchildren.
As an aside: I want to thank Dave for not relegating this thread to Internet Purgatory probably to the chagrin of the antis who lurk here.
Jim

They just convicted a guy in DC for having ONE (1) shotgun shell and several round lead muzzloader balls in his house. The SWAT team raid found them without a search warrant. None - zero - guns on the premises at all.'
I have begun to think that I may have to literally stand behind that "They can have my gun when they pry it from my cold dead hands" statement.

The Internet like Fox can play both ways, as GOP elders discovered in their commissioned study of their 2012 defeat. Obama won 55 per cent of women who vote in larger numbers than men, 71 per cent of Hispanic vote and 73 per cent of Asians, 60 per cent of groups under 30---all groups growing as share of population. He targeted voters most likely to influence future elections.

There's a lesson here for our sporting fraternity. The study authors made clear that Fox network polemical programming was a major part of GOP's problem. "The Republican Party needs to stop talking to itself" ..."and become expert in how to provide ideological reinforcement to like-minded people, but devastatingly we have lost the ability to be persuasive with, or welcoming to, those who do not agree with us."

It's a daily diet here. Divisive, self-defeating.

Keith makes some great points,especially supporting the NRA,they ARE winning the argument and need ALL gun owners support.


In a March 28th column for The Atlantic, Conor Friedersdorf said the NRA keeps winning the gun conversation by countering the left's shame tactics with effective persuasion.


"Through it all, the NRA was there to remind gun owners and Americans of all stripes that the right to keep and bear arms is a God-given right and one that is intrinsic to the American experience. While the left jeered gun owners, the NRA cheered a mother's right to defend her own life and the lives of her family."


No need to pander to "moderates" in power like those in NY Republican part who voted for the SAFE act,get them out or those RINO's will lead us down the path to confiscation !

Biggest problem is the left wins because they keep giving away America. Cell phones, housing, utilities, food,tax refunds for those who don't pay taxes, social security for those who never payed into the system,medical care, etc. The list goes on. Once the slackers learned they can game the system and vote themselves freebies from the public largesse, then the downward spiral began and will continue. Political corruption, academia calling for the extermination of "the gringo" by any means. Every day the droning (no pun intended) gets louder. We need to turn this ship around before it's too late and we become Europe. Term limits for all politicians, eliminate their pensions and bennies until death, get rid of the 2 party system and enforce the laws on not just "We the People", but on those who write those draconian laws.

ItalianSxS has nailed it in my opinion. He says:

"FACT: THE NEWS IN THIS COUNTRY IS NO LONGER OBJECTIVELY REPORTED ANY MORE THAN IT'S OBJECTIVELY REPORTED BY PRAVDA IN RUSSIA.

That is what is wrong with our country. Owning the news is a very effective way to control the minds of the citizens. It works. I liken it to advertising. Corporations spend billions on it because it works. Repeat a message over and over and after a while people believe it. Own the news and repeat the message and the people become sheep. Watch the news make fun of a candidate and they are finished. Look at Sarah Palin. They destroyed her in a month.

I don't know how to counter that. The internet does not seem to have the impact we hoped for. Maybe because we send our messages from our address book which is composed of like minded friends.

We need to point out that if they take away our second amendment rights is it possible to eliminate other amendments and rights. Would your friends and acquaintances believe that? Probably not because "guns" are a special case. I am sure every news channel would say that.

King, where is this quote taken from? It should be required reading here for all. Ideological reinforcement! The circle jerk we all participate in here. Driving away those gun owners who haven't yet seen the light. To me, it's dumb.

And imagining that a gun owner who currently supports some form of gun regs is a lost cause while thinking we will do better with a non gun owner.....that just doesn't follow.

Perpetually slandering and belittling others will never win converts.....gun owners may today be a large enough group, if we could get them all to vote smartly, but will they be as large 30 years from now. As King has so aptly described about his own behaviour in past threads, the drip drip drip of incremental gun regs serves to dissuade both current owners and future generations from bothering. At some point the hassle isn't worth it.

Circling the wagons is not a long term solution.

Builder, I would say that is a very astute observation. Who do we communicate with? Should be obvious but it's not and yet it goes to the heart of the problem I mention in my previous post. Preaching to the choir while crapping on the rest.

Maybe you're onto something, Mountain Mike. You don't have to look far for a one-party system not more repressive from what some members say they're living under now. Castro's dictatorship may be an improvement particularly in healthcare and education outcomes which compare favourably and are superior in many categories to those of the United States. From the New England Journal of Medicine:

"This highly structured, prevention-oriented system has produced positive results. Vaccination rates in Cuba are among the highest in the world. The life expectancy of 78 years from birth is virtually identical to that in the United States. The infant mortality rate in Cuba has fallen from more than 80 per 1000 live births in the 1950s to less than 5 per 1000 � lower than the U.S. rate, although the maternal mortality rate remains well above those in developed countries and is in the middle of the range for Caribbean countries.3,4 Without doubt, the improved health outcomes are largely the result of improvements in nutrition and education, which address the social determinants of health. Cuba's literacy rate is 99%, and health education is part of the mandatory school curriculum. A recent national program to promote acceptance of men who have sex with men was designed in part to reduce rates of sexually transmitted disease and improve acceptance of and adherence to treatment. Cigarettes can no longer be obtained with monthly ration cards, and smoking rates have decreased, though local health teams say it remains difficult to get smokers to quit. Contraception is free and strongly encouraged. Abortion is legal but is seen as a failure of prevention."

From what I read from some members, the United States is a sort of benign dictatorship without Cuba's benefits from universal healthcare and education, eh?

We know that dictators always tell the truth. We know that the newspapers in tyrant-ruled countries are accurate. We know that the numbers put out by the dictator's bureau of statistics are always accurate and truthful.

There was once a great famine in communist Russia. Yet every crop report, from the local apparatchik to the regional bureaucrat to the area commissar to the yes-men reporting directly to Stalin reported that everywhere in the entire nation the wheat crops made "plan".

The trouble with the 2nd Amendment threads in the main section is that they always turn out this way. Dave Weber polices the Second Amendment thread at the top of this index but not threads in this section. I wish Brian had made his excellent post on the Second Amendment thread or down in the Mis-Fires section. I found the case of the citizen in Washinton DC convicted for possession of the lead projectiles for muzzle loaders particularly disturbing. The same police chief and same district attorney decided not to prosecute a famous lefty "newsman" for possession of a thirty round clip because the prosecution "would not serve the interests of justice."

Journalism is by definition, a liberal art. Hard to counter liberalism with facts. No matter how many times something fails, they remain absolutely convinced of the righteousness of their creed. And it's not just guns; look at how well the criminal justice system is at preventing recidivism. Even their beloved psychologists will admit that negative reinforcement is a proven demotivator where people are concerned, they just can't feel good about being mean to murderers and rapists.
I am afraid Ron White nailed it. You can't fix stupid.

King,
Google "States with a constitutional right to hunt" and, don't be too surprised that NY and Connecticut are missing from that list. Remember, that NY gave the rest of the US the "gift" of senator Hillary Clinton,and that a locality gets exactly the government it deserves. At the point the state you live in can't get a constitutional right to hunt passed (New York state, for example) it is time to move along, if that is what is important to you.
There exist states, even states under liberal government, that wouldn't have anything like the SAFE act passed-it has been speculated that there are more deer rifles in the northern third of Minnesota than people. Those union mine workers up there vote democrat until the second amendment gets challenged-remember Warren Spannaus? Locally, we also had to suffer another "gift" from NY, Tony Bouza. Both ended up on the wrong side of the gun issue, in a liberal state.
Moving works just fine. My Dad left New Jersey almost 60 years ago for the same reason. Sturm, Ruger and company have put Connecticut on notice in the same fashion.

Best,
Ted

Thanks, Ted. Agree: no one should have to wait beyond their lifetimes for people to come to their senses or something good to happen.

Well said, and it's so unfortunate and just plain sad that you are correct in every way.