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I've tried shooting bats before....(not out of a box of course)....that's crazy!

The barrels of the "old gal" seem to have 80 cm!? (assumed both others are 71 cm)

Gunwolf

If gamebirds flew like bats no one would ever kill one.
CHAZ

Just for clarity on 'gunwolf's' remark on dove being referred to as 'flying rats', feral pigeons here in the US are rock doves as are most pigeons in the greater European cities, but most of the shooting here was done w/passenger pigeons back in the time of those fist Grand American shoots. The last known passenger pigeon died in 1920 at the Cicinnati, Ohio zoo. And I'd posit that their demise to extinction was due soley to the clearing of their mast or nesting habitat [timber] in the Ohio valley & other parts of New England and did not have anything at all to do with shooting, even though they were taken in large numbers. The 'shot to extinction' myth is revisionist history at its best. It is an important point.

Snipe fly a lot like bats for the first 20 yrds. of so and they are VERY difficult to hit or at least they are for me. I have not ever shot any bats althogh I have netted and banded quite a number.

What tw says. In addition, market "hunters" at night simply knocked the birds out of the trees by the thousands or netted roosts. Shooting them would have been a way expensive method of gathering and cut heavy into the profit.

Shooters proper probably took a decimal of a percent
comparatively.

I've always wondered what compels "sportsmen" to shoot things like bats and swallows. But then, just killin' stuff always feels great, dunnit?

have a day

Dr.WtS

More weights

http://www.la84foundation.org/SportsLibrary/SportingLife/1895/VOL_24_NO_25/SL2425015.pdf

At the Riverton Handicap March 8, 1895 only one of the 15 competitors used an American made gun.

"It may be interesting to some to note the guns and loads used, and we give it below. It was a lamentable fact that of the 15 guns used only one American make was represented. This was a special pigeon gun of the Parker Brothers' manufacture, and was a beautiful weapon in every way, and was owned by Mr. Post, whose score of 93 on a hard lot of birds did not bow that the shooting power was lacking.

All the guns were 12 gauge, and it was noticeable that not a full pistol-grip stock was among the number, and most of them were the straight-grip "pigeon gun" model, nine being of this description, and six of the half-grip style. All were of the hammerless pattern excepting two; Mr. Welch and Mr. Robbins using hammerguns."

Following is the make of guns and loads used:

Capt. A.W. Money - Greener, 7 1/2 pounds.
George Work - Purdey, 7 1/2 pounds.
Post - Parker pigeon gun (AAH introduced in 1894)), 7 11-16 pounds.
Jim Jones - Scott, 7 3-16 pounds.
John B. Ellison - Scott, 7 1/4 pounds.
Fred Moore - Purdey, 7 7-16 pounds.
Leonard - Westley Richards, 7 1/2 pounds.
Mott - Crown grade Greener, 7 2-16 pounds.
J.S. Robbins - Greener hammer gun, 7 1/2 pounds.
R. Welch - Purdey hammer gun, 7 1/2 pounds.
Downing - Scott, 7 6-16 pounds.
J.K. Palmer � Francotte, 7 1/2 pounds.
Edwards - Scott Premier, 7 pounds.
J. Wolstencroft - Greener, 6 15-16 pounds.
Eckert - Scott Premier, 7 1/4 pounds.

Shells were 45 - 49 grains / 3 1/4 - 3 1/2 drams smokeless powder and 1 1/4 oz.

Capt. Money (2nd in the 1894 GAH) and George Work (3rd in the 1893 GAH) tied at 94 killed.

For the record my wife felt great about the bat I killed that had infiltrated the dock.

How it all get started in England 1822

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and until today we say "pull" or "bird" shooting clays�:



Taubenschiessen in Germany in Heiligendamm was practiced from 1855 - 1897 with live pigeons:



and once more from the Olympic Games 1900, 25m Men, third place Murphy, USA
beeing a "Pro"!?





Gunwolf

http://library.la84.org/SportsLibrary/JOH/JOHv1n2/JOHv1n2d.pdf

There were two Live Pigeon Shooting events during the Universal Exposition of Paris in 1900. These are described in the Official Report, published shortly after the sporting events of the Exposition.

The first one was the �Grand Prix de Centenaire� held on 19 June (Tuesday) with the following prizes: 1st - 5,000 francs; 2nd - 2,500 francs; 3rd - 1,500 francs; and 4th - 1,000 francs.

There were 166 shooters in this event, �ce qui ne s��tait jamais vu dans aucun contours tir aux pigeons.� The results of this event were as follows:
1. Donald MacKintosh, Australia - 22
2. Marquis de Villaviciosa, Spain - 21
3. Edgar Murphy, USA - 19
4. Baron de Tavernost, France - 14
Henri Journu, France - 14
M. A. Ginot, France � 14

Pedro Pidal y Bernaldo de Quir�s, the first Marquis de Villaviciosa de Asturias, was a well-known European shooter of that period. He won at least five Spanish championships. Several months prior to the 1900 Olympics, using the pseudonym �O�Brien�, Pidal won the Grand Prix de Monte Carlo against Donald MacKintosh (AUS) and Crittenden Robinson (USA), among others in the field of 98 shooters in a Live Pigeon Shooting event.

The second Live Pigeon Shooting event in 1900 was the �Grand Prix de 1�Exposition Universalle de 1900� held on 25-27 June. The prizes were considerable: 1st - 20,000 francs; 2nd - 50%; 10,000 francs, 3rd - 30%; 6,000 francs, 4th - 20%, 4,000 francs.
�Le deuxi�me, le troisi�me, et la quatri�me partageront dans la proportion suivante, les entr�es du prix.�
This appears to have been the more important event and was likely the one considered to be of �Olympic standards.� In addition, most of the �Olympic� events carried the title of an event ��de l�Exposition. �

There were 52 shooters who competed in this event, with the following results:
1. L�on de Lunden, Belgium - 21
2. Maurice Faur�, France - 20
3. Crittenden Robinson, USA - 18 tied Donald MacKintosh, Australia - 18
5. J. Pederzoli, Italy - 15
6. C. B�thune, France - 14
7. J. Banwell, Great Britain � 12


July 7, 1900 Sporting Life �Shooting In Paris�
http://library.la84.org/SportsLibrary/SportingLife/1900/VOL_35_NO_16/SL3516012.pdf
"Crit" Robinson the Only American Among the Winners. Paris, June 28.
The finals in the pigeon shooting contests at the Cercle du Bois de Boulogne, for the Exposition grand prize, which began Monday, came off yesterday, the competition having narrowed down to 36. The results were as follows: Leon de Lunden, 21 out of 21, first; Maurice Faure, 20 out of 21 second; D. Mclntosh and C. Robinson, each 18 out of 19, tied for third.
M. de Lunden is a well-known Belgian shot. In the first round A. G. Spaulding was among those who missed. "Tod" Sloan and Messrs. Wadsworth and Rogers dropped out in the next two rounds, when only four competitors were left.
Mr. Robinson, a Californian, proposed dividing the whole stake of $6,000 (?francs) to which the others agreed. The match has been concluded.