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I would like to know how early century pigeon shoots were set up. I understand there was a 30 yd circle and a shooter and thrower but after that my information is quite vague. There was a thread on the forum but I think it is beyond a year and I can not access it.
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INANIMATE TARGET RULES1st "E.C." Cup 1896 The match at that time consisted of 100 targets, unknown angles, from known traps; 100 targets, unknown traps and known angles (commonly called expert rules - At expert rules, one man up in the centre of five traps, pulled unknown, according to an indicator); and 50 pair of doubles. 2nd "E.C." Cup August 20, 1896, the conditions being 150 targets; 50 single targets, 16 yards rise, unknown angles; 50 single targets, expert rules; and 25 pair doubles, 14 yards rise. The Interstate Associations First Annual GAH at Targets June 1900 http://www.la84foundation.org/SportsLibrary/SportingLife/1900/VOL_35_NO_14/SL3514012.pdf"The traps were placed inside the live bird grounds, Nos. 2 and 3 being used. At No. 1 score a Magautrap was placed, at No. 2 a set of three expert traps, on the Sergeant system; at No. 3 a Magautrap; at No. 4 a set of five expert traps, throwing unknown angles. Nos. 1, 2 and 3 were arranged on the flat, or underground plan, without an inch of screen in the way. No. 4, the five expert trap set, had a low screen, and the shooting platform was almost on a level with the top of it. At the first three sets the targets were seen almost from the moment they left the traps, coming, as they did, directly out of the ground. This gave a quick sight, but to many men a deceptive one, as they were inclined to fire too quickly, often undershooting. Blue Rock targets were used, and a good, fair flight was thrown at a uniform speed and angle. Owing to the four different sets of traps, each with a different background, the scores were not high."
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This was the thread with the rules of Raimey and some pictures of me: Live pigeon shooting the pics:   Gunwolf
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Have to love that guy's hat!...Geo
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Gunwolf, unfortunately I do not speak or read German. Any option for a translation?
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Tamid, sorry! For the moment I don't have enough time, maybe Humpty Dumpty would be so kind to translate a bit....? He did a great job last time with the translation of an article of Max Ern about Belgian Double Rifles!
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I'm sure Reverend Drew Hause would agree that various match shoots in the early days had rules agreed upon by the participants or sponsors. In Pennsylvania there were two regions with two very different sets of rules, even though the shoots may have been as little as twenty miles apart. The Northeast region shot one shot, low gun, at "handled birds" and short ranges, sometimes 17 yards. The Southern region shot what we know today as standard two shot European style shoots at largely unhandled birds with shooting positions changed on the "slide" as the shooter killed a set number of birds in a row. Remember, in the early days, at least in PA, match shoots were the norm, shoots participated in by the public were the exception. In other parts of the country, public shoots were more common.
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Drew's long post refers to clay targets, although his research has plenty of live pigeon information.
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Good pics, Gunwolf.
If you look closely you can see the pigeon that has just exited the center trap, in the second pic, as a blur about two feet above the trap. Also, note that Gunwolf has moved to the 24 yd. position, meaning he has run two rings, of five birds each, and has moved back twice.
Interesting info, Bill, about the two sets of rules in Pennsylvania. Rings here use the second set, or European, rules. Isn't that the most widespread now?
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