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I think we went off the trail so to speak Canvasback, shame on us.  But that is interesting, how does the average guy living in Europe get a frickin brand new shotgun.
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British and European hardware stores and provincial gun shops were also supplied with low grade guns in set dimensions and with minimal finish or engraving, to be used by farmers as tools. A variety of grades fulfilled this need - old gun factory catalogues illustrate them well and price them too.
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What's a Stevens?  Like'n to Teddy bOys Mosse'turd shotgun....
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British and European hardware stores and provincial gun shops were also supplied with low grade guns in set dimensions and with minimal finish or engraving, to be used by farmers as tools. A variety of grades fulfilled this need - old gun factory catalogues illustrate them well and price them too. The English never intended farmers to have guns as tools...who you kidding ?.....Yourself What you're referring to as English and Belgium made hardware guns were junk before they left the hardware store.
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Really? I don't understand your post Joe. I'm saying English hardware store guns of low grade are common.
As for the quality comparison between English made 'hardware store guns' and American ones and their respective places in today's market, well, that would be another thread.
Posters were speculating about European hardware store guns, so I wanted to confirm their existence as commonplace at the same time American ones dominated the US domestic scene.
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Sorry but you guys never had a wild west....
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We had India and Africa. And have you ever been to Northern England in the winter?
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We had India and Africa. And have you ever been to Northern England in the winter? Dig, he's never been out of his mom's basement. At least he doesn't pester her so much since she got him that dial up connection. Best, Ted
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I'm afraid the rest of it becomes a comparison of blondes or redheads which won't get us anywhere. However, for every Parker 16 in the dimensions quoted by our friend from Texas, the same concern built dozens of 12s with 30" full x full choke barrels, that had 3" of drop in the stock, and weighed in excess of 7 3/4 lbs. They were by no means alone, here in the US, in that endeavor, either.
It is difficult to find a gun with those same dimensions built anywhere on the other side of the pond. Because that style of shotgun isn't all that useful.
Ted Except for the sling swivel and and an open right choke I use a gun like just like that for a rainy day upland gun and a field trial gun. It works great in both those functions. I am fifty-nine and the 7-3/4 pounds is becoming too heavy for my creaky shoulders to carry, even on a sling, but it is very effective in those upland pursuits. A very appropriate configuration for someone that could only afford one quality gun. Say for ducks, geese, deer, rabbits, quail, pheasant, grouse, coyotes, and fox. As far as 15 x 1-1/4 x 1-7/8 being the only acceptable dimensions for good shooting you, along with tens of thousand of others, have fallen prey to the marketing guys again; "Oh, you need ejectors to be effective," "Oh, you need a high stock to shoot well," "Have to have an over and under to shoot really well," "Oh! Need 32 inch barrels - like Digweed," "Have to have adjustable comb," "34 inch barrels are a must," "Need an adjustable rib," "Need adjustable barrel weights," "Need adjustable trigger pulls," ad infinitum. And those Darnes you (and I) hold in such high esteem were generally stocked in the same dimensions of the Parkers you are disparaging (Pre-WWII). And my AHE20 and BHE16 both have over 2-3/4" drop. It seems I remember a fairly recent post about you having a Darne restocked to the currently fashionable high stock dimensions. Bet that Darne is the envy of all your trap shooting friends. And I am not a wearer of suspenders. 185 pounds of rippling muscle does fine with a belt. My specs on gunstocks are no-where near that high-I was just looking for 1 1/2 DAC and 2 1/2 DAH, but, that seems to be a lot to ask of the typical old Yank double for some reason. The Darne is a 26" barreled, straight stocked, cyl/improved cyl grouse gun, and the notion of using it for trap is laughable. It was restocked with a straight grip because thats what I like-and someone sawed about 6" off the original stock. That stock went into a wood stove in St. Etienne, France as that is all it was suitable for. I haven't been brainwashed by anybody. And I don't try to make antique gun dimensions suit my shooting. You want to do that, by all means feel free. One question though-does that 3" drop Parker of yours have a carridge bolt through the head of the stock, holding it together? A lot of 'em do. Just wondering. Best, Ted
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British and European hardware stores and provincial gun shops were also supplied with low grade guns in set dimensions and with minimal finish or engraving, to be used by farmers as tools. A variety of grades fulfilled this need - old gun factory catalogues illustrate them well and price them too. Thanks for clarifying that, Dig. Would you happen to know if it was similar in Europe? I'm thinking France, Germany, Austria, Benelux and the Nordic countries.
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