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OK, Pooch, you are on the Scott chart from Galazan. This is an Evans gun. Also, you added a sixth digit to the five digit actual Evans number to get the 1949 date from the Scott chart. The Evans chart is available elsewhere.
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I have a 11132. It has the Deeley patent ejector stamps on it and an ancient Deeley patent ejector which led me to believe it is pre WWI and yet the posted index shows a manufacture date of 1925. Perhaps we can learn something to day.
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Pooch, I was in error about my guns. Nigel Brown in London Gunmakers lists my guns as 1916 manufacture, last gun in 1915 as 11,000. It lists the posters boxlock as 1919, the last gun of 1918 being 11,779. I'm sure there are other charts and "factory letters", but this happens to be a chart from a book I actually own. The numbers of the guns in question are from missing Evans stock books, so the years of manufacture of guns from 10,426 to 13,222 are estimates only.
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According to Diggory Hadoke, our fellow poster, Evans didn't make anything, just ran a retail shop. My sidelocks use the Webley screw grip, so I will assume that both sidelocks and boxlocks used Webley actions. That fact doesn't take much away from our fine guns.
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The Webley serial# on the forend lump is 92713. I also contacted William Evans, they told me that the gun was made in 1917, but all the records were lost during the war.
I have an old Webley & Scott catalog and this gun looks like one of the A&W 51 models featured in the catalog. Is this gun the same as the Webley A&W ?
Thanks
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Yes, it is an A&W, but the 51 looks to have carved fences though.
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IMO, it is the Evans version of a W&R 51/54. It is likely semi-unique to Evans. Evans ordered enough guns from W&S to get what he wanted. Evans' job was to get his customers the highest quality they could afford. I'd suggest that the valuation would be as follows. Evans is Brand Value two (BV2). The gun looks to me like a tick less than a true best work gun so Original Quality grade five and a half (OQ5 1/2). Current Condition level looks to be "significant use," so CC3. BV2-OQ5 1/2-CC3 = $4,100; considering the case, I could see this gun at $4,300.
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Rocket, what does your CC scale go up to?...I didn't think the Gun looked like it has been used significantly.Nice Gun though, eh?
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FO, the CC scale is as follows: CC1 = pristine (1-2 of 100 similar), CC2 = slight use, CC3= significant use, CC4= heavy use, but no abuse, and skillful restoration (maybe), CC5 = 5 major repair or restoration, CC6,7,& 8 are descending condition, and CC9 is wall hanger level.
It is a bit subjective, but manageably so. Or, so far.
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