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A friend of mine owns a fine H&H DR in calibre 9,3 x 74R, original from H&H. (See also my thread "How to find the number one of a H&H dougle gun pair") Made around 1915 (SN 17634), non ejector. What about the demand for such a rifle? In this calibre? Is it better or worse? I mean to have read there were not so many made...? Thanks in advance, Gunwolf
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Gunwolf, In my, not very well respected,opinion, this rifle is absolutly outstanding.The caliber is world class, the maker is world class, the model is their best, and it seems to be in exellent condition.Truth be told, I would rather have it in 9.3x74R than 375 H&H Flanged. You have a very lucky friend, maybe he will give it to you for your birthday. Mike
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Mike, I'm with you - absolut outstanding and the caliber would be my first choice... Good idea with the birthday present! But if he will have it...? I fear his idea is to sell it and this is not in my reach :-((. The handling of the rifle is a dream, it goes to the head like a double gun and the balance is excellent. Wished I may use it once for a driven hunt on wild boar.
Kind Regards, Gunwolf
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Of course, condition is everything in such a rifle as this. It appears to be in excellent condition, but the bores must be also in excellent condition for highest value. The caliber is a much sought after caliber in Europe and is now gaining much interest in America. The caliber is fine for African plains game and big European game such as moose. It is not a dangerous game caliber as considered by African PH's, although that caliber has probably been used to kill leopard and lion there. .375 H&H and above size calibers are usually required by African PH's today of their clients for such activity. Or at least is was when I lived there.
The action filing of this rifle makes it more desirable than if it was a square action. If the scope mounts were originally fitted by Holland the value is greater than if not. The non-ejector issue is a matter of choice, and many people like that, but more people like ejectors than do not. Who originally owned the rifle could make it more valuable, if that person was a person of prestige.
It is a beautiful rifle and will bring top money, if the bores are same quality as exterior. If I were you I would take it over to Hartmann & Weiss' shop and ask them what the rifle is worth in Europe.
To my mind it is a $25,000.00 to $50,000.00 rifle as pictured and as qualified above.
Bv
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Bushveld, The .375 limitation was, as I understand,only in the British influenced areas.There was an exception for experienced hunters to be allowed to use 9.3(usually considered to be 9.3x62, but not too specific and original ballistics was the same between the two).There is an awful lot of "Big Five" hunted in other than the old British areas. Mike
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That's a lovely looking rifle that someone will pay very good money for, your friend should have no issue moving it on if required. That calibre is very popular choice here in Europe. I would be surprised though if it started life as a continental round, the older English DR's in 9.3 are a re-chamber to this better caliber. Picture of barrel flats would confirm.
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Fletchedpair, you might be right, unfortunately I forgot to take pictures of the barrel flats.. :-( Was a little confused with all these H&H guns & rifles... ;-) Will make it next time. Gunwolf
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It is absolutely essential, GW, to get hold of the Gun Room at H&H and ask for details and pay for a letter on this double rifle.
It was not made about 1915 as the serial number puts it in the 1895 to 1905 era. My H&H double rifle is 179XX and I have the gunbook notes dating it to 1904 so I'd guess your friend's rifle is about 1900 or so.
The original caliber is not likely to have been the European 9.3x74R, nor is it likely to have been rebored from the .375 flanged nitroexpress (the magnum did not yet exist) as the .375 is larger in diameter than the 9.3 (which is .366). Might have originally been a .303 or, possibly a .400/.350. Maybe even rebarrelled. All this is just speculation until Pat Murphy or Russel Wilkins at H&H sorts it out.
Regards, Tim
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GW:
Can you tell me what the peep sight on the rear tang of the double rifle is?
Thanks.
Rem
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Holland's own, very similar to a Lyman
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