March
S M T W T F S
1 2
3 4 5 6 7 8 9
10 11 12 13 14 15 16
17 18 19 20 21 22 23
24 25 26 27 28 29 30
31
Who's Online Now
2 members (NZHunter, SKB), 296 guests, and 2 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Statistics
Forums10
Topics38,373
Posts543,977
Members14,389
Most Online1,131
Jan 21st, 2024
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 2 of 2 1 2
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 246
Likes: 2
Sidelock
**
Offline
Sidelock
**

Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 246
Likes: 2
Originally Posted By: Der Ami
As he said this type action is refered to as a M71 type, But I struggle with this as it is hard to differenate between the Mauser and Dresey(sp)types, since they have some common features.
Mike

Mike,sorry, here you are wrong, just as John Walter "RIFLES of the WORLD" is. Walter ascribes all these "Simplified M71 actions" to Dreyse. Though during the final years of the family owned company, about 1900, Nikolaus II von Dreyse sold many guns of this type bought in from Zella-Mehlis too, Franz von Dreyse's own centerfire bolt action, designed to compete with Mauser's M71 action and also offered as sporting rifles, but quite rare, is very much different and not easily confused IMHO if you have an eye for details. The curves that cock the striker are not at the rear end of the bolt body as on the Mauser, but inside the bolt between the long, separate bolt head and striker. The Dreyse action is put on safe not by blocking the striker, but through uncocking the coil mainspring by giving the bolt sleeve a quarter turn and sliding it back, similar to Dreyse's needlefire rifles. The only features Dreyse's and Mauser's M71 designs have in common: Both are single-shot bolt actions with seperate bolt heads, locked by the bolt handle root only. Here is a contemporary drawing and a photo of Franz von Dreyse's centerfire action:


The seperate bolt head goes back to the front of the bolt handle, joint visible in the photo.
BTW, Walter's book is often plain wrong, at least unreliable, when it comes to German rifles.

Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 4,445
Likes: 201
Sidelock
**
Offline
Sidelock
**

Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 4,445
Likes: 201
Axel,
As you know,I'm often wrong, but don't have the references you do.Walter also said the sear in the Mod 71 was from Dreyse.Is this also wrong?
Mike

Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 246
Likes: 2
Sidelock
**
Offline
Sidelock
**

Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 246
Likes: 2
That sear arrangement with the long leaf spring was used by Nicolaus Dreyse in his 1841 needle fire. If he invented it is another question I cannot answer at the moment, but I doubt that. When the Mausers designed their first bolt action, the Mauser-Norris in 1867, it was a common design feature in the public domain. The Russian Moisin-Nagant uses the same sear, but noone said it was designed by Dreyse. Gun designers ever used known and prooven features. You may say as well that all bolt actions were invented by Dreyse, as they all share a bolt locked by turning.

Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 4,445
Likes: 201
Sidelock
**
Offline
Sidelock
**

Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 4,445
Likes: 201
Maybe some confusion comes in because the first Mauser efforts were to convert Dreyse and Chassepot needlefires to rimfire or centerfire,unless Walter and other authors are wrong about that also(leaving my options open).
Mike

Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 84
Likes: 1
PL Offline OP
Sidelock
**
OP Offline
Sidelock
**

Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 84
Likes: 1
I took this rifle out of the stock today and here is what I found stamped on the bottom on the action and barrel.
Any info on the mark?

thank you

Patrick




Last edited by Patrick Lien; 10/05/13 05:52 PM.
Page 2 of 2 1 2

Link Copied to Clipboard

doublegunshop.com home | Welcome | Sponsors & Advertisers | DoubleGun Rack | Doublegun Book Rack

Order or request info | Other Useful Information

Updated every minute of everyday!


Copyright (c) 1993 - 2024 doublegunshop.com. All rights reserved. doublegunshop.com - Bloomfield, NY 14469. USA These materials are provided by doublegunshop.com as a service to its customers and may be used for informational purposes only. doublegunshop.com assumes no responsibility for errors or omissions in these materials. THESE MATERIALS ARE PROVIDED "AS IS" WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EITHER EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANT-ABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, OR NON-INFRINGEMENT. doublegunshop.com further does not warrant the accuracy or completeness of the information, text, graphics, links or other items contained within these materials. doublegunshop.com shall not be liable for any special, indirect, incidental, or consequential damages, including without limitation, lost revenues or lost profits, which may result from the use of these materials. doublegunshop.com may make changes to these materials, or to the products described therein, at any time without notice. doublegunshop.com makes no commitment to update the information contained herein. This is a public un-moderated forum participate at your own risk.

Note: The posting of Copyrighted material on this forum is prohibited without prior written consent of the Copyright holder. For specifics on Copyright Law and restrictions refer to: http://www.copyright.gov/laws/ - doublegunshop.com will not monitor nor will they be held liable for copyright violations presented on the BBS which is an open and un-moderated public forum.

Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5
(Release build 20201027)
Responsive Width:

PHP: 7.0.33-0+deb9u11+hw1 Page Time: 0.041s Queries: 25 (0.022s) Memory: 0.8179 MB (Peak: 1.8987 MB) Data Comp: Off Server Time: 2024-03-28 09:34:06 UTC
Valid HTML 5 and Valid CSS