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#339318 - 09/24/13 05:00 PM Re: Paul Reuss in Stuttgart [Re: Der Ami]
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Originally Posted By: Der Ami
As he said this type action is refered to as a M71 type, But I struggle with this as it is hard to differenate between the Mauser and Dresey(sp)types, since they have some common features.
Mike

Mike,sorry, here you are wrong, just as John Walter "RIFLES of the WORLD" is. Walter ascribes all these "Simplified M71 actions" to Dreyse. Though during the final years of the family owned company, about 1900, Nikolaus II von Dreyse sold many guns of this type bought in from Zella-Mehlis too, Franz von Dreyse's own centerfire bolt action, designed to compete with Mauser's M71 action and also offered as sporting rifles, but quite rare, is very much different and not easily confused IMHO if you have an eye for details. The curves that cock the striker are not at the rear end of the bolt body as on the Mauser, but inside the bolt between the long, separate bolt head and striker. The Dreyse action is put on safe not by blocking the striker, but through uncocking the coil mainspring by giving the bolt sleeve a quarter turn and sliding it back, similar to Dreyse's needlefire rifles. The only features Dreyse's and Mauser's M71 designs have in common: Both are single-shot bolt actions with seperate bolt heads, locked by the bolt handle root only. Here is a contemporary drawing and a photo of Franz von Dreyse's centerfire action:


The seperate bolt head goes back to the front of the bolt handle, joint visible in the photo.
BTW, Walter's book is often plain wrong, at least unreliable, when it comes to German rifles.

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#339320 - 09/24/13 05:42 PM Re: Paul Reuss in Stuttgart [Re: kuduae]
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Axel,
As you know,I'm often wrong, but don't have the references you do.Walter also said the sear in the Mod 71 was from Dreyse.Is this also wrong?
Mike

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#339326 - 09/24/13 06:41 PM Re: Paul Reuss in Stuttgart [Re: Der Ami]
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That sear arrangement with the long leaf spring was used by Nicolaus Dreyse in his 1841 needle fire. If he invented it is another question I cannot answer at the moment, but I doubt that. When the Mausers designed their first bolt action, the Mauser-Norris in 1867, it was a common design feature in the public domain. The Russian Moisin-Nagant uses the same sear, but noone said it was designed by Dreyse. Gun designers ever used known and prooven features. You may say as well that all bolt actions were invented by Dreyse, as they all share a bolt locked by turning.

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#339430 - 09/25/13 06:02 PM Re: Paul Reuss in Stuttgart [Re: kuduae]
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Maybe some confusion comes in because the first Mauser efforts were to convert Dreyse and Chassepot needlefires to rimfire or centerfire,unless Walter and other authors are wrong about that also(leaving my options open).
Mike

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#340484 - 10/05/13 05:51 PM Re: Paul Reuss in Stuttgart [Re: PL]
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I took this rifle out of the stock today and here is what I found stamped on the bottom on the action and barrel.
Any info on the mark?

thank you

Patrick





Edited by Patrick Lien (10/05/13 05:52 PM)

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