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It's vague in my mind (as more and more things are these days!), perhaps because we haven't discussed the subject for some time. However, I seem to recall a discussion in which it was pointed out that on German guns, that screw to which Buzz refers is not always a positive indicator of intercepting sears, but rather a different design feature. Don't recall what at the moment. Am I misremembering??
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It is my understanding there has to be the upper and lower screw to be intercepting on the German guns. Sauerfan told me that one time.
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Well, someone who has a lower grade Sauer or other type Continental BLE with this set up, pull the stock and take some pictures, lets see whats going inside these guns instead of playing the guessing game or "trust me" game.
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Courtesy of Sauerfan from another post: 
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It is my understanding there has to be the upper and lower screw to be intercepting on the German guns. Sauerfan told me that one time. My Model 280 (A&F import, 1936) has both the upper and lower screws, per the above and per Sauerfan's diagram. I've had it apart, and it definitely has intercepting sears. But I still seem to recall some German guns--maybe they have the upper screw only?--that don't have intercepting sears. Overhanging hammers or something like that? My memory is pretty fuzzy on it, but something of that nature has stuck.
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I had a 1931 Sauer model 180 with the upper screw; no lower. Sauerfan said it was not intercepting, but that it was better to have the single upper rather than the lower single screw.
The pic I posted of the Belgian boxlock with intercepting sear has a very tiny screw at the top and a pin at the bottom.
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 Lindner Daly atop with overhanging and lower intercepting scears. No, I didn't monkey up the screws. Gustloff/BSW below with just overhanging. If anyone wants any other view just let me know & I'll see if I can capture it. Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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M-4 modified his search engine parameters and stumbled across this H. Scherping fitted with the cream of the crop Witten Excelsior tubes for a client/retailer George M. Wright of Danville, Ill. I'm sure a diagram is around here somewhere, but does anyone have a diagram or image of the centre mounted scear at their fingertips, which is seen more on a double rifle platform????  Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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The safety mechanism of the Simpson - BSM is in effect a secondary safety that blocks the upward movement of the sear tails. This also makes disassembly a bit of a puzzle. Mark II
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Raimey,
Maybe that Scherping has a Blitz action, not an A&D.
The issue with the A&D traditional action is that the sear is mounted very close to the tumbler axis. This requires a very wide sear to reduce the working pressure and it also makes an intercepting sear a wish-able feature.
The overhanging sear is IMHO superior, because it is mounted much farther away from the axis, and therefore does not require a wide tumbler, which allows for a thinner cut in the bar, an easier sear filing, etc...
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