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Drew is right. The different models are in "blocks" of ser. no. The ser. no. would put the gun into a model group. Also, on the bottom of the barrel lug, there is usually a letter stamped. It can be a T or a D, which tells us T for twist or D for Damascus. Unfortunately, I don't have a fluid steel Baker, so I don't know what letter they were stamped with. Then again, the ser. no. would again also help us. Some models of the Special(which were built in a ser. no.range)were fluid steel barrels.

3 years ago I left a 32 inch Krupp steel barreled paragon with relief engraving sitting on a table at a flea market for $400 because the wood was horrible and cut short and I'm a total idiot.

I am a little familiar with this gun, I think, but could be wrong. I have serial no. 480 written down. I have about 20% of the Paragons made cataloged and the lowest Krupp fluid steel barrels appear on the low 700 range of the Paragons. Each of these guns has Krupp written on the barrels near the top of the breech. There is a record of Ser. # 415 with Whitworth fluid steel barrels. That is a Special Pigeon gun.

It seems that every company had it's own formula for color case hardening. The Baker guns often look "plated" after the color case hardening has faded. This is not a condition of being worn off, but rather just a condition of fading after 100 years or so.

Serial number 415 is my 10-gauge, assumed to be the Paragon version briefly advertised as the $100 Pigeon Gun --









There is no identifying marks on the barrels that would indicate Krupp or Whitworth.

Researcher, are the Whitworth trademarks [like shocks of corn or wheat] on the underside of the barrels ? If not, and no other markings, how was it decided the gun was the $100 Pigeon gun ?

I'm at our place in Kodiak, so don't have the gun at hand, but as I recall the only marks on the gun are the serial number on all the parts and Baker Gun Co. on each lockplate. I've always been rather amazed by the lack of Patent dates and other marks on the gun. Chris Schotz photographed the gun at one of the early Vintage Cups at Sandanona. I guess because of the straight grip and the pigeons on each lockplate and the trigger guard, it has been assumed it might be the $100 Pigeon Gun that was apparently mentioned in some 1897 Baker paper according to the old Baker Gun Co. article by Wallace Labisky in Shooting Times back in May 1962. I don't recall anything in that article saying the $100 Pigeon Gun had Whitworth barrels, just that it was a steel barrel version of the normally Damascus barrel Paragon. None of the Baker paper I have mentions the $100 Pigeon Gun.

My Paragon bbl's are steel and only marked with the serial # and paragon ejector on the flats

Serial number ?

ser #201055,theres also a triangular shape stamped on each flat as well,and what seems to be a k on the forend lug

Newf, your gun is a Folsom made Paragon. All Folsom Paragons had Belgian made fluid steel barrels.