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I'll have to scour the bowels of the internet for any more. I see 2 tubes of pattern welded tubes, Damast Leclerc & Damast Bernard, but what is the 3rd? I see it now: Damast Turc. Seems he preferred Spanish walnut( Spanischem Nussbaumholz)?
What is this: Lauflager mit Neusilberblech ausgelegt?
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I believe the barrels are Damas Anglais Coupe', Gebrochener Englischer Damast, or Combination Damascus. seems more to be english damas 1st quality:  Regards, Wolfgang
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I'll have to scour the bowels of the internet for any more. I see 2 tubes of pattern welded tubes, Damast Leclerc & Damast Bernard, but what is the 3rd? I see it now: Damast Turc. Seems he preferred Spanish walnut( Spanischem Nussbaumholz)? the third is Damast turc (we had it in another thread!) damas turc, turkish damast  Regards, Wolfgang
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"seems more to be english damas 1st quality" Correct Wolfgang; same stuff. It would have helped enormously if there had been an European and British Union for the Standardization of Nomenclature of Damascus and Twist Barrels  but folks called barrels whatever they wanted 
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 11mm Pistol from circa 1850. They give he was active from 1844 to 1850. Maybe someone will look him up in “Der Neue Stoeckel”. Rudolph Berger, Köthen/Anhalt um 1850. Durch unterseitigen Drehverschluss nach vorn zu öffnender, achtfach gezogener Kipplauf im Kaliber 11 mm. Eingeschobene, eiserne Visierung. Über der Kammer silbereingelegte Signatur "Rudolph Berger in Cöthen", der Verschluss mit Bänderung und Rankeneinlagen. Nussholzschaft mit gewaffeltem Kolben und rankengravierter Eisengarnitur. Länge 35,5 cm. Rudolph Berger, Köthen/Anhalt, erw. 1844 - 50. Hofbüchsenmacher. Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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Very interesting. Thanks for sharing! I guess choosing a shotgun in 1860 was a pretty mind-blowing affair
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M-4 browsed thru “Der Neue Stoeckel” and it gives 1844 - 1850. May have been a couple generations of Rudolf Berger but I am still perplexed as to the Berger & Co./Constanz Berger relationship. Rud. Berger had patents to 1860 and is listed as late as 1894 so something is amiss. Correct you are, Wolfgang, as we have seen Damas Turc: http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbt...true#Post323953Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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 1845/1846 listing so he must pre-date 1844 seeing it would take a couple years to obtain the dubbed title of HofBüchsenmacher. F. Berger may have been the father of Rudolf Berger: "Der sehr renommirte Büchsenmacher Herr F. Berger aus Köthen hatte verschiedene Jagd- und besonders Vogelflinten von zum Theil neuer Construction und vortrefflicher Arbeit ausgelegt die vielfach versucht wurden und grossen Beifall fanden." 1856 listing Vogelflinten reference is interesting. There was a Joseph Berger of Gratz active in the early part of the 19th century. He received a bronze medal for his wares in 1841. Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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What is this: Lauflager mit Neusilberblech ausgelegt?
Ford or Wolfgang, can you elaborate on this phrase?
Kind Regards,
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For now I see no relationship between Rudolf Berger Cöthen and Louis Konstans Berger, son of Karl Ludwig Ferdinand Berger & Catharina Wilhelmine Klingholz, who married Luise Harkort, daughter of Friedrich Wilhelm Harkort(Father of the Ruhr - Magnate) in 1856. This was a couple years after he hung out his shingle reading Carl Berger & Co. Seems manager Augustus Henry Murray Driver provided the links to world wide sourcing of their tube steel and was sourced in 1878 for the Martini-Henry platform by Romania(Rumania).  Wilhelm Collath(born in Kreis Greifenberg, Pommern(Poland)) was the one that coupled the Rudolf Berger platform(Dreyse-Berger-Fürst Pless-Teschner-Collath variant) and Wittener Excelsior steel of Karl Berger. Kind Regards, Raimey rse
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