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A nice Sheffield Arms Co./Crescent/Smith smile


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Originally Posted By: Drew Hause
A nice Sheffield Arms Co./Crescent/Smith smile

Pretty sloppy job of stamping- spacing, letters tilted--WTF???


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From the looks of the pro casecolor job on the frame ,I suspect someone saw an opportunity when an already tarted up Cresent 410 was put up for sale.

The Bbl finish looks poor in contrast to the rest of the gun and the bbl's where all the 'Englishing Up' was done to it.
No frame proofs. No Rigby lettering on the frame.
Everything that says it's an English gun is on the poorly finished bbls.

Add/change the bbl marks and someone's pet Cresent project gun became a Rigby.

That work is amature at best. The proof lettering was attempted by hand, the top Rigby lettering looks like they made use of a pantograph.
The finish looks like a quick cold blue that worked about like you'd expect the wipe on products to work.
Perhaps any existing top rib matting and original lettering was removed also leaving the smooth surface.

Just my thoughts..

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It's still up there.

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Good job you lot are on to it as someone may have been taken in by it.

Pete M, Ron Gabriels book only touches the surface of British .410's. No doubt Rigbys would have sold examples and may even have made some. .410's can be found here bearing all manner of makers names. I think the current owner of Rigbys name would be most upset. Lagaopus.....

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I don't see the second listing on #342148499 as suggested by one poster. But the Rigby is still listed and the buyer is still on the hook. Who are these bidders?

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Originally Posted By: lagopus
Good job you lot are on to it as someone may have been taken in by it.
Pete M, Ron Gabriels book only touches the surface of British .410's. No doubt Rigbys would have sold examples and may even have made some. .410's can be found here bearing all manner of makers names. I think the current owner of Rigbys name would be most upset. Lagaopus.....


Yes, I know the Gabriel book is not the final word. On the American side of it, he misses the ball all together. Researcher has turned up ad's, etc. that basically make Gabriel's writing mute. Gabriel never follows the different American development path that was terminated when the 410 made it's appearance.

Still, I thought he would not have missed a 410 produced by such a storied London name. Perhaps I am wrong.

I agree the current owners of the Rigby name would not be amused.

Given the poor workmanship evident in the photos, how can some one bid $3k plus even if was genuine?

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Interesting. Over on the Gunbroker chat board I posted a notice of the fradulent sale and the moderator removed it within a day. Not surprising though, I knew the post was out of line but did it anyhow.

I'm not sure Gunbroker can be expected to police all it's auctions. Certainly there must be a large number of misrepresentations--some innocent and some intentional--and it would not be possible to have expert knowledge in all fields.

Actually, buying on auction sited is always "caveat emptor". If someone gets suckered into this gun as being legitimate I almost feel they deserve the penalty do their lack of due diligence.


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Gunbroker has fraud protection, theoretically. I'm sure it works as well as eBay's.

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Unbelievable. I clicked on the thread and then clicked on the original posters link. I thought to myself, that this looks like a Crescent. After reading through, my suspicions were confirmed. The knowledge on this doublegun board and others that we here all frequent, is invaluable. This fake auction is akin to, maybe even worse than, a guy trying to pass off a double with ELG and a crown, and W. Richards on the side as a Westley Richards. Unbelievable and sad. Buyer beware.

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