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1895

Me thinks you are 100% correct. I had a good chuckle & I hope you did. So can we assume that the advert with the omitted comma is in ascending order with respect to cost/quality & your post(probably circa 1900 also?) is in descending order. Without reading 20 pages of threads, what was the 1st year that one will find an LC Smith with Whitworth tubes? Post 1884?

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Raimey
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Raimey, I owned a low grade D M Lefever crossbolt gun, ca. 1905, so made at an Ohio address. The probable Belgian fluid steel barrels had SD&G stamped on the underside of the barrels near the flats. Not sure if this meant the gun was retailed by SD&G or that the barrel material was furnished by them. At the time Shoverling Daly and Gales was selling guns produced by most of the U. S. makers, so they had a relationship with them, and the relationship could have run both ways, with SD&G selling barrel blanks.

Thanks Mr. Hallquist & the way I remember was that Auguste Schoverling had an import house where the tubes/tubesets were directed as rough bored imports when all the legal back & forth was transpiring. Within the he said, she said, it appears that a large block of the American makers had disdain for S,D&G but I guess if the makers were allowed into S,D&G's racket, then they may have played friends. What about Baker's with Whitworth tubes, earliest date?

Note that Whitworth more than likely, with probably a nod to Krupp, set the tube advertising tone with the term Fluid Compressed Steel. All that followed use some of the terms or some combination.

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Raimey
rse

I failed to note that the Whitworth Fluid Compressed Steel was kept as a trade secret and few saw it prior to the protection lapsing circa 1884. I'm still not sure if Whitworth added any percentages, but with steel in a fluid state, the workers would compress a column(width not defined) of said steel 8 feet in height to a shorter height with the compression of 1.5" per foot in height in about 5 minutes. I would say then it was transformed into bar form. It is possible that for specific applications that there were molds that could compress the fluid steel. But as far as I can tell, then end user sourced the Whitworth steel in bar form. So S,D&G would have had to subcontract the transformation of the bar steel to a tube.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Raimey: Houchins states that the Monogram, A2, and A3 were first offered with Whitworth steel in 1895.

Raimey,I think there was a Baker Whitworth model[called Pigeon Hammerless] offered ca. 1897.

Interesting Sir Joseph Whitworth Fluid Compressed Steel tubeset by Lebeau Courally being numbers 60846 & 60847. I would guess these to be some of he very late ones?



Hum, on LC & Baker I would have guessed a bit earlier say 1893. Would the trademark be present or just the name?

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Raimey
rse

Whitworth Steel barrels were typically marked in one or more of the following ways on Smith guns:
1. Hand engraved on the barrel rib or (later) top of the right barrel.

1921 Monogram



2. The manufacturers serial number for each tube stamped on the barrel flat.
3. A 'W' on the right barrel flat.
4. The trademark "sheaves of wheat" stamped on the bottom of each tube.



I don't know the time period for the different markings

And don't overlook the 1911 "Whitwroth" Monogram Oops

Dr. Hause;
So, what is the highest serial number(Whitworth) found on a LC Smith with Sir Joseph Whitworth Fluid Compressed Steel?

Thanks for all the effort.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse